Jeez, am I ever getting sick of this rover thing.
Would anyone care to pause and make some comments about the upcoming contest
please?
I for one, will be active in
FN03 on 432 and 1296,
FN04 on 432 and 1296,
FN05 on 432
EN94 on 432
I will only operate as a Rover and will try and work as many of you guys (if
you can tear yourselves away from your computers long enough to have some real
fun!!) as I can.
Don't forget to turn your beams, dishes or whatever you can muster up this way
towards Toronto.
Have fun 'cause I sure will.
VA3MJ (Mal)
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> 5. Re: Re: captive rovers (Tree)
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:14:08 -0700
> From: "Jim Forsyth" <jim@forsyth.net>
> To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] re: captive rovers
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> I'm trying to figure out what you find so objectionable about this.
>
> Everybody is free to use captive rovers just like everybody is free to run a
> big station with lots of power and big antennas. Any of these things will
> improve your score. You can do them or not do them depending upon how
> seriously you want to take it. I don't see the point in complaining just
> because you choose not to implement certain aspects of your contest
> operation.
>
> Jim, AF6O
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tree" <tree@kkn.net>
> To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] re: captive rovers
>
> > This is a forum that helps frame public opinion. We are not talking about
> > what is legal or illegal. We are talking more about ethics and what is
> > good for the sport of contesting.
> >
> > What does the VHF contesting community think of this?
> >
> > I think it sucks.
> >
> > Tree
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:15:19 -0400
> From: W2fca@cs.com
> To: mcw1wjw9@optonline.net (Warren Walsh), vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] re: captive rovers
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> So then you work a few that you know will send in logs and then move to the
> next grid. For example, if you were in FN22, FN23, FN32, or FN33 you could
> easiliy work me, W3HHN, WA2RQC, WB2KLD just to name a few. So, you zip up to
> your spot, work your home station, then quickly find and work me, Otto, and
> Tim. Wouldn't take over 5 min more. Then if you go downstate to FN21, you
> could work a few guys in FN31. Just work enough so that your total percentage
> is still legal. If only 25 percent of your contacts can be with one station,
> just keep a running total and make sure you work enough others.
>
> Frank
> W2FCA
>
> >> > I think the one item everyone is overlooking - the Rover has to
> >> > submit his log in order to see if this is a problem. If none of these >>
> >> > > alleged "Captive Rover" logs are turned in, the just become
> >> > "UNIQUES" in the fixed stations log.
> >>
> >>Not necessarily. If you have all of the logs that were submitted, you
> >>can see if a rover station only appears in a single log.
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:05:06 +0200
> From: "on4kj" <on4kj@skynet.be>
> To: "DUGAS, JASON A. \(JSC-EP\) \(NASA\)" <jason.a.dugas@nasa.gov>,
> <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
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> Thats exactly the the good methode to accelerate HAM into CB ..........
> But who am I.........
>
> Jos on4kj
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DUGAS, JASON A. (JSC-EP) (NASA)" <jason.a.dugas@nasa.gov>
> To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:23 PM
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
>
> >
> >
> > > General Rules for ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz
> > >
> > > 2.3.5.All Rovers are encouraged to adopt operating practices that allow
> as
> >
> > > many stations as possible to contact them.
> >
> > Ah - I remember that rule. I think perhaps I was on the CAC when it was
> > adopted.
> >
> > It was a tough rule to write - how do you enforce it? The intent of the
> > rule was to prevent such a thing from happening. How could a rover be in
> > an area where there is lots of activity and only work a single station
> > from a number of grids? It smells REALLY poor.
> >
> > I would submit that this rover is not following this rule. But here we
> > have most people saying "oh - it's okay - it follows the rules".
> >
> > Furthermore, I would suggest that their activity is not helping promote
> > activity and interest in the contest - and really should be frowned upon
> > by the VHF contesteing community. It is not the best thing for the
> > overall health of the contest.
> >
> > Any competitive entry should take steps to avoid this type of situation.
> >
> > Tree N6TR
> > tree@kkn.net
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I agree with Tree's comment. The collective "frowning upon" of this type
> of
> > activity by this and other communities might go a long ways towards
> > curtailing it. Here are my frowns:
> > :-/
> > :-<
> > :-(
> >
> > Jason
> > KB5URQ
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
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To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:08:06 -0400
> From: Dennis Hudson <n2lbt@n2lbt.com>
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
> Message-ID: <38981C60-C1E7-11D7-94FA-0030654844E8@n2lbt.com>
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> On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 09:55 US/Eastern, dpease@adams.net wrote:
>
> > My limited experience here in the "Black Hole" (even worse in VHF
> > test) with rovers is limited, but all I have heard on are not
> > "captive" and many times provide the only contact in several grids on
> > many bands. I am thankful to have them out there.
> >
> > Danny NG9R
> >
>
> Amen
>
> Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have against roving? Why are
> you constantly trying to destroy one of the most enjoyable aspects of
> my HOBBY. What you may not realize is all this rover bashing has the
> potential to kill VHF contesting for many of us. We have already been
> assaulted by the new rover rules, for which I replied, "fine I won't
> turn in logs anymore then". Now you want to tell me who I can and can't
> work during a contest? Who the hell do you people think you are? Mind
> you own darn business and work on your own stations. If there are any
> more rover rule changes, we the rovers should be suggesting them. Not a
> bunch of bellyaching good-ole-boys who are too lazy to support the
> growth of this hobby.
>
> Try taking a positive attitude at this contesting thing instead of this
> constant bitching. Look at what some of the large VHF groups have done
> for the hobby. W2SZ, K8GP, N2WK, W3CCX, K3YTL etc. Populated relatively
> unused bands, taught microwave station construction, repair and
> operating practices to new hams, old hams and even potential hams. I
> now own and operate a very capable VHF-SHF station that I have amassed
> over the years, but it all started out by learning from a local VHF
> group, that has continued to guide me and offer help when needed. This
> type of activity is savior of VHF contesting, not the dinosaur
> attitudes that spews out of this reflector.
>
> I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort to make a station
> capable of working me. I've personally handed out some of the final
> microwave VUCC cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT), VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I
> try to publish my schedule on this reflector and my capabilities are
> listed with VE2PIJ's VHF resource page.
>
> If one were to examine some of my logs you might find only a handful of
> different stations in my log, and quite possibly a large percentage of
> exotics would come from one station. Usually it's because no one is
> pointed where I am, or no one else has a station capable of working me.
> So, should I stop activating rare grids because you don't like it? It's
> bad enough the new rover rules favor a fast rover that uses fixed
> mobile antennas driving through populated areas. Maybe there should be
> a rule that every single or multi op within 200 miles must work me on
> all the bands I have. Maybe we should subtract points from your score
> for every rover you don't work. How's that sound? These suggested rule
> changes are getting ridiculous and I don't believe reflect the feelings
> of the actual people who are operating or even the spirit of VHF
> contesting. Where is ND3F, W3IY, N2JHM, N2MH on this issue? In my
> opinion these are the people you should be asking, not telling.
>
> --
> Dennis Hudson, N2LBT
> N2OJY-N2LBT/VE2/R
> FN32,FN33,FN34,FN35,FN36,FN45,FN46,FN47
> http://www.n2lbt.com/
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:58:10 -0500
> From: Tree <tree@kkn.net>
> To: Dennis Hudson <n2lbt@n2lbt.com>
> Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
> Message-ID: <20030729175810.GI23225@kkn.net>
> In-Reply-To: <38981C60-C1E7-11D7-94FA-0030654844E8@n2lbt.com>
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> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 01:08:06PM -0400, Dennis Hudson wrote:
>
> > Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have against roving? Why are
> > you constantly trying to destroy one of the most enjoyable aspects of
> > my HOBBY.
>
> I am very sorry to hear that my comments have been taken as "anti roving".
>
> I honestly think rovers are fantastic and they should be commended for
> doing it. While I haven't yet roved in a VHF contest, I have done it
> before for HF contests doing county hopping.
>
> By your comments, it doesn't sound like you are a "captive" rover, so
> please do not take anything I have said to apply to you.
>
> > I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort to make a station
> > capable of working me. I've personally handed out some of the final
> > microwave VUCC cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT), VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I
> > try to publish my schedule on this reflector and my capabilities are
> > listed with VE2PIJ's VHF resource page.
>
> This is great - and I am only talking about the very small rovers who
> do not make an effort to work other stations and end up in no other logs.
>
> 73 Tree
> ------------------------------
>
To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:07:20 -0500
> From: "Mike \(KA5CVH\) Urich" <ka5cvh@ka5cvh.com>
> To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
> Message-ID: <01ae01c355fc$41302660$9401a8c0@quad4.org>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Hudson" <n2lbt@n2lbt.com>
>
> http://www.n2lbt.com/08_01_uhfcontest/pages/all%20set%20up%20at%20fn36.htm
>
> Mike asks,
>
> Weren't you a bit concerned about setting up that close to those 13.8KV
> power lines?
>
> Mike Urich, KA5CVH
> www.ka5cvh.com
> http://www.ka5cvh.com/vhf/vhfindex.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:18:42 -0500
> From: "Donald M. Ross" <dross@sirinet.net>
> To: "'on4kj'" <on4kj@skynet.be>,
> "'DUGAS, JASON A. \(JSC-EP\) \(NASA\)'" <jason.a.dugas@nasa.gov>,
> <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Subject: RE: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
> Message-ID: <004d01c355fd$dbaf4710$645003cf@CPQ47403191915>
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>
> Someone whose opinion is just as valid as everyone else's.
>
> How do you guys do it over there? Do you have rovers in your contests?
>
> Don, NL7CO/EM04
>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
>
> But who am I.........
>
> Jos on4kj
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DUGAS, JASON A. (JSC-EP) (NASA)" <jason.a.dugas@nasa.gov>
> To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:23 PM
> Subject: [VHFcontesting] Re: re: Captive rovers
>
> >
> >
> > > General Rules for ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz
> > >
> > > 2.3.5.All Rovers are encouraged to adopt operating practices that
> allow
> as
> >
> > > many stations as possible to contact them.
> >
> > Ah - I remember that rule. I think perhaps I was on the CAC when it
> was
> > adopted.
> >
> > It was a tough rule to write - how do you enforce it? The intent of
> the
> > rule was to prevent such a thing from happening. How could a rover be
> in
> > an area where there is lots of activity and only work a single station
> > from a number of grids? It smells REALLY poor.
> >
> > I would submit that this rover is not following this rule. But here
> we
> > have most people saying "oh - it's okay - it follows the rules".
> >
> > Furthermore, I would suggest that their activity is not helping
> promote
> > activity and interest in the contest - and really should be frowned
> upon
> > by the VHF contesteing community. It is not the best thing for the
> > overall health of the contest.
> >
> > Any competitive entry should take steps to avoid this type of
> situation.
> >
> > Tree N6TR
> > tree@kkn.net
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I agree with Tree's comment. The collective "frowning upon" of this
> type
> of
> > activity by this and other communities might go a long ways towards
> > curtailing it. Here are my frowns:
> > :-/
> > :-<
> > :-(
> >
> > Jason
> > KB5URQ
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:30:58 -0700
> From: David B Kunkee <David.B.Kunkee@aero.org>
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
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> > Look at what some of the large VHF groups have done
> > for the hobby. W2SZ, K8GP, N2WK, W3CCX, K3YTL etc. Populated relatively
>
> > unused bands, taught microwave station construction, repair and
> > operating practices to new hams, old hams and even potential hams.
>
> This is a major point. Big stations mean participation. Recently I
> found a opportunity to spend a weekend in the DC/PA/NJ area and a buddy
> asked me about the UHF contest. I didn't even know about the UHF contest
> and I've participated in the June and September contests frequently for
> the
> past several years. The first thing I did was go to QST to see the
> results
> and try to evaluate the level of activity and see whether it was worth it
> to take some minimal gear with me and participate. Big stations work a
> lot
> of QSOs because they have the equipment and location to do so, and I
> pretty
> much know I'll make some QSOs roving from the scores I saw over the last
> few years. So, yeah, because of that (and them) I think it'll be fun to
> get
> on. And I will, of course, work everyone I can.
>
> On another note, I've never considered it necessary for the 'absolute
> value'
> of the rover's score to be comparable to that of a single/multi-op station
> - until
> I was 'educated' about club competition. So, what about two categories -
> there's
> the roving score, calibrated for whatever purpose it needs to be to other
> scores,
> and then another score (perhaps similar to the rover scores prior to 1992)
> for
> "rover only" comparisons. Kind of like racing - in the Indianapolis 500
> there
> are really two races - the race for the pole, and then the race itself.
> Between
> the racing teams, getting the pole means something.
> Oh well - I am sure it's an old thread...
>
> 73 Dave, K0DI
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> Here is a situation which could definitely come up, if
> it hasn't already. Here in Lawton, OK we have a nice
> VHF friendly mountain (Mt. Scott) north of town about
> 10 miles. Has a parking lot on top with plenty of
> space to set up, and is about 1000 feet above the
> average terrain.
>
> We also live near the grid intersection of EM04, EM05,
> EM14 and EM15. Now supposed I decide to get on, say,
> 3.4 ghz which has no local activity, except for WB5AFY
> who is at the other end of the grid square. Suppose I
> have a friend who also gets on 3.4g, and he likes
> roving. Maybe we also both have Icom T81A HTs, so we
> can use 1.2g FM also. I go to the top of Mount Scott,
> and he roves in the 4 different grids, giving me QSOs
> on 1.2 and 3.4g. He doesn't work anyone else on those
> bands because there is no one else on 3.4g, and the
> only other person on 1.2g who is in the city of Lawton
> cannot hear him as I can from the mountain top.
>
> Now, is he a captive rover? Should our QSOs not count
> because they are all uniques? Should I be punished
> for getting my station and another up on a new band?
> I have operated from Mt.Scott before using 1.2g from a
> T81A, and worked Ron, AB5GH/R (now AF5Q) on 1.2g in
> EM04, EM05 and EM14 also using his T81A. We just
> missed on EM15. part of the reason I bought the T81A
> was for such contest operations. I just cannot afford
> a 23cm SSB station at the current time, but am looking
> for another T81A to have for future operations
> (mistakenly sold the one I had). I am not sure that
> Ron worked anyone else on 23cm because no one in
> Lawton could hear him.
>
> So, should we create a rule that throws out good QSOs
> on a new band you spend money to get on? I don't
> think so, but would be interested in hearing others
> opinions.
>
> BTW, lets have some evidence that this capative rover
> thing is really going on. How many such logs are
> really being sent in?
>
> 73s John NE0P
>
> --- Tree <tree@kkn.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 01:08:06PM -0400, Dennis
> > Hudson wrote:
> >
> > > Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have
> > against roving? Why are
> > > you constantly trying to destroy one of the most
> > enjoyable aspects of
> > > my HOBBY.
> >
> > I am very sorry to hear that my comments have been
> > taken as "anti roving".
> >
> > I honestly think rovers are fantastic and they
> > should be commended for
> > doing it. While I haven't yet roved in a VHF
> > contest, I have done it
> > before for HF contests doing county hopping.
> >
> > By your comments, it doesn't sound like you are a
> > "captive" rover, so
> > please do not take anything I have said to apply to
> > you.
> >
> > > I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort
> > to make a station
> > > capable of working me. I've personally handed out
> > some of the final
> > > microwave VUCC cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT),
> > VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I
> > > try to publish my schedule on this reflector and
> > my capabilities are
> > > listed with VE2PIJ's VHF resource page.
> >
> > This is great - and I am only talking about the very
> > small rovers who
> > do not make an effort to work other stations and end
> > up in no other logs.
> >
> > 73 Tree
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:01:56 -0400
> From: Warren Walsh <mcw1wjw9@optonline.net>
> To: Dennis Hudson <n2lbt@n2lbt.com>, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Re: captive rovers
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> At 01:08 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, Dennis Hudson wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 09:55 US/Eastern, dpease@adams.net wrote:
> >
> >>My limited experience here in the "Black Hole" (even worse in VHF test)
> >>with rovers is limited, but all I have heard on are not "captive" and
> >>many times provide the only contact in several grids on many bands. I am
> >>thankful to have them out there.
> >>
> >>Danny NG9R
> >
> >Amen
> >
> >
> >Tree, Jim, Warren etc, what do you guys have against roving? Why are you
> >constantly trying to destroy one of the most enjoyable aspects of my
> >HOBBY. What you may not realize is all this rover bashing has the
> >potential to kill VHF contesting for many of us. We have already been
> >assaulted by the new rover rules, for which I replied, "fine I won't turn
> >in logs anymore then". Now you want to tell me who I can and can't work
> >during a contest? Who the hell do you people think you are? Mind you own
> >darn business and work on your own stations. If there are any more rover
> >rule changes, we the rovers should be suggesting them. Not a bunch of
> >bellyaching good-ole-boys who are too lazy to support the growth of this
> >hobby.
>
> Dennis,
> I'm not positive, but I believe you're missing our point. We WANT you to
> continue to rove, but we would also appreciate if ALL the rovers would make
> your kind of effort. Work EVERYONE they hear, not just their mother ship
> as it were! Being part of a Limited (now Unlimited) Multi crew we actively
> seek out rovers to work, and try to run the bands with them.
>
> >Try taking a positive attitude at this contesting thing instead of this
> >constant bitching.
>
> Well, I may be new to VHF contesting (1995) but not to contesting in
> general. I also feel that asking questions in an open forum is not
> complaining and is GOOD, and should be done more often.
>
> > Look at what some of the large VHF groups have done for the hobby. W2SZ,
> > K8GP, N2WK, W3CCX, K3YTL etc. Populated relatively unused bands, taught
> > microwave station construction, repair and operating practices to new
> > hams, old hams and even potential hams. I now own and operate a very
> > capable VHF-SHF station that I have amassed over the years, but it all
> > started out by learning from a local VHF group, that has continued to
> > guide me and offer help when needed. This type of activity is savior of
> > VHF contesting, not the dinosaur attitudes that spews out of this reflector.
>
> I agree, they have helped the hobby grow.
>
> >I try to contact anyone willing to put an effort to make a station capable
> >of working me. I've personally handed out some of the final microwave VUCC
> >cards to stations like KH6CP(W1VT), VE2JWH, WA1AIM. I try to publish my
> >schedule on this reflector and my capabilities are listed with VE2PIJ's
> >VHF resource page.
>
> Great!
> Why can't the alleged "Captive Rovers" do this?
>
> >So, should I stop activating rare grids because you don't like it?
>
> No, and we're not asking that.
>
> >It's bad enough the new rover rules favor a fast rover that uses fixed
> >mobile antennas driving through populated areas. Maybe there should be a
> >rule that every single or multi op within 200 miles must work me on all
> >the bands I have. Maybe we should subtract points from your score for
> >every rover you don't work. How's that sound? These suggested rule changes
> >are getting ridiculous and I don't believe reflect the feelings of the
> >actual people who are operating or even the spirit of VHF contesting.
>
> I don't believe anyone is suggesting any rule changes here. We're just
> asking questions, there is no need to get so upset.
>
> > Where is ND3F, W3IY, N2JHM, N2MH on this issue? In my opinion these are
> > the people you should be asking, not telling.
>
> Again, no one is TELLING anyone to do anything, just asking questions and
> for others opinions.
>
> >--
> >Dennis Hudson, N2LBT
> >N2OJY-N2LBT/VE2/R
> >FN32,FN33,FN34,FN35,FN36,FN45,FN46,FN47
> >http://www.n2lbt.com/
>
> 73
> Warren - K2BM
>
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