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Re: [TowerTalk] 1/4 wave vertical with counterpoise

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 1/4 wave vertical with counterpoise
From: Brian Beezley <k6sti@att.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 12:56:36 -0800
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AB7E said:

"...nothing we do can change the effect that the ground has on takeoff angle."

Nothing we yet know about. I don't believe I'm the only one who has spent some effort trying to find a way to achieve low-angle radiation for a low horizontal antenna or for a vertical antenna over poor ground. I even wrote a QST article (or was it the Antenna Compendium?) on the failure of one promising trick for horizontal antennas. I believe Les Moxon addressed the issue by suggesting aiming into a lossy forest with a particular geometry.

I never worry about takeoff angle, which I take to mean the angle of the maximum lobe in the elevation plane. Communication takes place at angles determined by path distance, ionospheric height, ionospheric tilt, and probably more. It does not necessarily occur where any particular lobe is located. I generally pick what I think is a representative low angle, usually 5 degrees, and compare gain for all antennas I'm considering there.

I just posted an update for my ground probe calculator. I probably should write something up here about it since recent developments bear directly on the problem of determining losses for ground radials, either buried or elevated.

I'd attach a nifty plot but this list won't accommodate it. You can see a few here:

https://k6sti.neocities.org/gnd

Brian

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