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Re: [TowerTalk] 1/4 wave vertical with counterpoise

To: amfone20000@yahoo.com, Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 1/4 wave vertical with counterpoise
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2026 11:10:31 -0700
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It does not need a radial system of wires to avoid loss.  It just needs an alternative path to the earth for near field return currents, and that can be had with a proper counterpoise.  The modeling shows that and it's pretty intuitive if you think about it.

There is even a YouTube video out there by KB9VBR where he includes some actual experiments by a friend of his comparing WSPR reports for both a vertical with radials and a vertical with a small screen counterpoise.  There was virtually no difference in performance.

The modeling and video I did isn't groundbreaking.  People have been doing the same thing for years with great results.  I just tried to demonstrate it using EZNEC.

Dave   AB7E


On 1/17/2026 7:01 AM, amfone20000@yahoo.com wrote:
A vertical must have a radial system to work properly if not you will have significant loses.


Tim WB8UHZ



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