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Re: [TowerTalk] TIC-Ring Question

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] TIC-Ring Question
From: <john@kk9a.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:03:46 -0500
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4O3A makes a compass based rotator controller however with 147MPH winds
you're asking a lot of the windshield washer motor inside the TIC.  Do you
think that this little motor could damage your coax if over rotated. I have
a couple of ring rotators with prop pitch motors on my tower that would
probably be up for your hilltop challenge.  However these rings are much
more difficult to step over than a TIC so I am interested in seeing your
step ladder.

John KK9A


Leeson leeson W6NL wrote:

I've been using a TIC ring rotator here on a big 7el 10m Yagi for the 
past 20 years with good success, but it has a couple of well-known 
unresolved problems: In the high winds we have on our hilltop (147 mi/h 
3s gust measured), it can jump a tooth on the motor or pot gear, which 
eventually makes the direction indicator pot totally out of sync, or 
even damages it. Since the ring rotor doesn't have physical limit 
switches, that has permitted over-rotation that parts the coax.

Re direction indication, has anyone had any success with alternatives 
such as magnetic or microswitch gear tooth counters? Or a simple compass 
module with output that a Green Heron RT-21 can read (0-5 volts)? See 
G6EJD, KJ4JJH, K3NG. I'd like to have direction indication that mounts 
directly at the ring or antenna boom itself, rather than through a 
coupled gear. and it should work at zero speed.

Second, has anyone had success with adding waterproof (IP67) limit 
switches? Honeywell, Omron, IP67 microswitches or cheaper imports? If a 
magnetic gear tooth sensor is used, what kind of spacing precision is 
required? With 360 teeth, the 1° precision should be plenty for HF.

I am aware of modifications and updates (e.g., N1CX) that may help 
prevent gear tooth skipping, but I want something bullet-proof that 
really gives me full confidence. Even a partial failure in a contest can 
compromise an otherwise winning effort; in our big HC8 station, we gave 
up on rotators and went with multiple antennas per band. But for my less 
complex setup here at home, I intend to try to resolve both of these 
problems when the weather permits, and am interested in hearing the 
experiences of list folks.

BTW, I resolved the climb-over issue with a small 3-rung steel ladder 
mounted below it on the tower face. And if the limit switches work out, 
I'll add them to my prop pitches, as well.

Thanks, Dave W6NL/HC8L

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