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Re: [TowerTalk] Wire Antenna Supports

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wire Antenna Supports
From: N4ZR <n4zr@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:22:30 -0500
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On the other hand, if you guy the pole up ten feet or so, then the lateral forces at the bottom are really trivial, and almost anything from a ground rod to a T-post will do fine.

Enough time has passed so that I think I can tell a story - back in the mid-70's, the State Department radio club had a shack in a room at the top of an 8-story State Department Annex building.  We weren't allowed to pierce the roof, so we got 20 feet of Rohn 25 and secured it at the base by "guys" that ran from the bottom of the base base horizontally to cast-iron vent pipes on the roof.  We put a Moseley CL-36 on it, and it lasted until well after I had left State in 1979.  I understand that a derecho straight-line wind storm eventually blew it part-way off the roof - I'm glad  I wasn't around then to answer questions from the building manager.

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On 2/16/2021 7:54 PM, Lux, Jim wrote:
On 2/16/21 4:18 PM, Michael Poteet wrote:
This is a request for opinions.  I am thinking about putting up a wire
antenna.  At my age (81) I have no interest in climbing towers, trees or the
roof.  Nor I am I interested in installing any support that requires a
concrete base or that weighs over 100 pounds.

I've noted there are at least a couple of telescoping masts (up to 50 feet)
that could be used to support simple wire antennas (when guyed
appropriately).  One is carbon fiber, the other is aluminum.  Is there any advantage of one of these over the other for "permanent" antenna support?
Initial cost is not a factor.



I have one of the 40-ish foot carbon fiber collapsible poles. It's fairly sturdy and easy to put up, but the top part *does* bend (it's pretty small, think fishing rod tip).

The challenge is coming up with a way to support the bottom so it stands vertically.

You don't want a big concrete base, which makes supporting a challenge, to resist the overturning moment from wind loads and the wire. With a 40 foot lever arm it doesn't take much force at the top to have impressive forces at the bottom.

I've tried things like driving a 8 foot T-post about 5 feet in, leaving 3 feet sticking up, and lashing a vertical to that.  Aside from the spectacular "trip hazard" of the T post, even with a tennis ball on the top, it *will* bend or shift if the antenna is loaded.  And that's a fair amount of work to drive (my shoulders and back felt it for days).

What kind of surface are you putting this mast up over? Grass? dirt?

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