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Re: [TowerTalk] Lowest loss coax that can be run up a crank up tower

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Lowest loss coax that can be run up a crank up tower
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:08:54 -0800
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It's a problem no supplier has tackled. Perhaps the market is too small to get interest. I have same issue on a HDX589. Your 7/8 hardline to the base will be a few db improvement though.

I think it is possible to make LDF4-50 reliable as the up the tower with a crank up. Three things need done IMO to make it reliable- bundle it with all other cables, taped every 2 ft or so to reduce the flexing, use cable guide standoffs at the top of each section, and figure 8 flake the bundle in at least an 8ft long figure eight when lowering the tower.

The flaking keeps out the twist and the bend radius is larger than the repeat bending spec for LDF4. This assumes the tower isn't going up and down more than a few times a year. The fiber optic conduit pull teams I've observed flake the fiber in about a 20ft figure 8.

If this works for LDF4 then it should work for LMR600 but I am not a fan of the jacket. Then transition to Buryflex etc for the rotator loop.

I've wanted to try this, maybe this summer.

Grant KZ1W

On 1/1/2021 12:43, Don Solberg wrote:
I have installed a US Tower HDX-572 crank-up tower.  I have two antennas
currently on the tower: 40 M rotatable dipole, and a 2M/70CM antenna for
satellite operation.  My shack is in the middle of a pine forest so the
only way I can get a good view of the sky is to put my satellite antennas
on the top of the mast, which puts it up about 82 feet.

My shack is about 140 feet from the tower.  Currently I have 150 feet for
75 ohm 1/2" CATV hardline running to the base of the tower, and then DX
Engineering's DXE-400MAX running up the tower.  At the top of the tower I
am running RG-213 for the rotator loop and up the mast to a diplexer.  From
the diplexer to a mast mounted 70 CM preamp and to the antenna's I am using
LMR 240.  At the moment I am using a Cushcraft A27010S, mounted at a fixed
15 degree elevation.

I estimate that I have at least 8db of total coax loss.  This also includes
a short jumper from the CATV hardline to a diplexer, the diplexer losses,
and adapters.

While I can work all of the FM and Linear satellites, I would like to
reduce my coax loss.

I ambuyin 7/8" 50 ohm hardline to replace the CATV hardline.  I am also
going to switch to all N connectors and eliminate some PL259 connectors and
adapters.  My plan is also to replace the Cushcraft A27010S with individual
2M and 70CM yagis on a fiberglass cross boom.  When I do that I want to use
lower loss jumpers at the top of the mast, replacing the LMR-240.

My question for the group is what is the lowest loss line that I can run up
the tower and also use as the rotator loop. Is DXE-400Max flexible enough
for the rotator loop?

Is there a better coax to use going up the crank up tower?

Thanks for your recommendations?

73,

Don K9AQ
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