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Re: [TowerTalk] Measuring Common Mode Choke with Anritsu VNA

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Measuring Common Mode Choke with Anritsu VNA
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 18:30:31 -0800
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Several issues here. See comments inline.

On 12/31/2017 3:12 PM, Avery Davis wrote:
Maximo,
Just measure the common mode choke just like a simple inductor, i.e.,
ignore the center conductor of the coax with which it is wound.

OK.  BUT -- it's NOT an inductor.  See below. Also study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf  Or study it in the ARRL Handbook. It was added in 2011.

   Set the measurement to S11,

Bad idea. Z measurements using S11 become increasing inaccurate for Z that differs by more than a factor of 5 from the system impedance (that is, less than 10 ohms and more than 250 ohms). The design goal for common mode chokes is 5K ohms, and the equivalent circuit is parallel R, L, and C. C is interwinding capacitance, and is in the range of 1-8 pF for practical chokes. Because of how Z is computed from S11, very small errors in S11 result in very large errors in Z, where Z is complex. This, combined with stray C of a measurement setup, can result in very large measurement errors in both the magnitude of the resonance and the frequency of the resonance.

This limitation of S11 measurement of Z is well known. It's been in Hewlett Packard app notes for decades, and it's why they made a dedicated analyzer to measure Z. The method using S21 is good for high values of Z (that is, >> 50 ohms).

A different method must be used for low Z values. In the RF world it's called RFIV. In pro audio, a method was developed whereby a large series resistance was added to the output of the generator to make it a constant current source, and the voltage across the load is measured by high impedance voltmeter. This method is widely used to measure Z for loudspeakers, using a simple swept oscillator and audio voltmeter, or Time Delay Spectrometry, or dual channel FFT for instrumentation. A current limiting resistor of 5K ohms yields 10% accuracy for Z mag at 500 ohms and 1% at 5 ohms.

73, Jim K9YC
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