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Re: [TowerTalk] Help with Force 12 C3S 10-Meter Adjustments

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Help with Force 12 C3S 10-Meter Adjustments
From: "Bill Parry" <bparry@rgv.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:01:36 -0600
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Bob,

I have had two of the C3Es over the last 20 years.  I found that using the 
measurements in the instructions worked out just fine with the exception of 15 
because I have it stacked with a 40 meter beam and they interacted until I 
turned them at 90 degrees from each other.  Excellent antenna and easy to put 
together.

Bill W5VX

-----Original Message-----
From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bob K6UJ
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 9:09 PM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Help with Force 12 C3S 10-Meter Adjustments

Hi Jim,
What I did was note the resonant frequency at 70 feet before finishing securing 
to the mast then lowering it down and sat it on saw horses.  Took note of the 
new resonant freq on the saw horses and adjusted the tips to increase the 
resonant freq on the saw horses the same amount that was needed at 70 feet.  It 
turned out to be right where I wanted it down on the CW end when I raised it up 
to 70 feet. 
I was thinking if this did not work out I would hoist it up to about 15 feet on 
some of the fiberglass military poles I have that you described  and adjust 
there but I was lucky and this worked fine.

BobK6UJ

      From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: towertalk@contesting.com
 Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 2:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Help with Force 12 C3S 10-Meter Adjustments
   
On 11/12/2017 1:49 PM, Bob K6UJ wrote:
> What I did was make sure
> the driver tube was well lubed with Penetrox and slid it out in 1/2 " 
> increments tillit got down where it was good down in the CW end of the 
> band

Of course. But the tricky part is being able to rig the antenna so that SWR can 
be measured at sufficient height to remove ground influence on the tuning AND 
the so that it can easily lower it for adjustments. Or access the adjustments 
from a tall A-frame ladder while it's in the air. 
While adjusting a very different 4-el for 10M, I found that the frequency of 
lowest SWR went DOWN as I raised the antenna, contrary to what usually happens 
with a simpler antenna like a dipole.

A rigging method we often use for portable operations like CQP, 7QP, and FD 
uses the 4-ft 2-in o.d. surplus military mast sections in combination with a 
tripod base fitting. If the "legs" are two elements tall, additional mast 
sections can be pushed up through the center of the tripod fitting. We use this 
to get a C3SS up 20-25 ft. We first learned of this method from a talk that 
K7JA did at Visalia several years ago.

73, Jim K9YC

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