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Re: [TowerTalk] Conduit in trench

To: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Conduit in trench
From: "Zivney, Terry" <00tlzivney@bsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 22:43:40 +0000
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I have tried filing a chamfer on the male end of several pieces - no luck.

I have use a deburring tool on the female bell ends - no luck.

As an experiment, I took a piece of smaller conduit (1 1/4 inch)
and cut off the bell end and tried It on the male end of the same
piece - even worse.  It would not even start into the bell.  At least
the 2 inch ones will start in a small fraction of an inch before seizing.

The conduit is several hundred feet from an electricity, so a heat  gun
is not in the  cards as Bill suggested.

Terry
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From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 6:25 PM
To: Zivney, Terry
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Conduit in trench

In my experience, it is important for the two sections to be straight
for larger diameter - co-linear.  Also very clean.  There might be a
burr on the male end, a knife as a scraper can make a bevel.  I add a
section at a time, shovel handles laid across the trench as supports so
I'm not working in the dirt.  The mate is about 1/2 the diameter so if
you get 2" in 1" that is ok.  Be sure to hold the joint tight for a
minute so the female taper doesn't push out the male.

Your concern about couplings in well placed.  In a community water
system with 1000' of 2" pressurized distribution, couplings and elbows
were the failure points, elbows especially since they can get a lot of
stress.  We always replaced sch40 fittings that failed with sch80. (the
od of all wall thickness pipe is the same in a given size).   Maybe
twice the cost but reliably fixed.  For conduit use there isn't the
stress as in a water system and I think sch40 will work fine.

I've put in lots of conduit (almost all from HD) and not had a mating
problem other than dropped or stepped on sections.

Grant KZ1W

On 11/3/2017 15:02 PM, Zivney, Terry wrote:
> I am trying to join sections of 2 inch (nominal) PVC conduit for burial in a 
> trench.
> This is schedule 40 electrical conduit, not water or drain pipe.
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>
>
> I cannot get the sections to mate.  The belled portion of the conduit
> is too snug on the main body.  Even with the proper primer and
> cement, it is so snug that I cannot manhandle two pieces together,
> much less dozens!
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>
>
> I found that the sweeps I  bought would go on with some difficulty.
> The short couplers, about 3 inches long will fit, but give very little
> overlap, only about an inch if fully seated.
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>
> I notice that the electrical drops down the power poles around
> here have  the same PVC conduit, but instead of using the
> built-in bell ends, the crews apparently just use the short couplers
> on the straight end ( I guess they cut off the bells?).
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>
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> I am worried that the short couplers may not provide adequate
> strength when the conduit is   stressed to drop in  into the trench.
>
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> Any experience?
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>
> Terry N4TZ
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