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Re: [TowerTalk] 80 M 4 SQUARE MODELING

To: Bill via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 80 M 4 SQUARE MODELING
From: Dave Sublette <k4to@arrl.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:32:12 -0400
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Good evening Bill,

I have an array of 4, vertically oriented, dipoles controlled by the “Old” 
Comtek control.  The “new” Comtek control evidently does not work with dipoles, 
only verticals.

Nevertheless — I believe the following principles apply, based on my experience.

My array is strung on ropes and pulleys around my elevated 160 meter vertical.  
The center tower is 150 feet from ground to tip. The pulleys for the 80 meter 
array are tied at the 140 foot level.  The centers of the dipoles are pulled 
out to 47 feet from the center and tied off to masts located at the appropriate 
distance from the tower.  The feed lines, all 75 ohm RG6, go back to the center 
and are insulated from and fed down through the center of the tower to the 
ground.  The lower ends of the dipole are pulled back to the center and tied 
high enough so the “droop” clears the ground and allows the tractor to get 
under it.  

The feed points, being 47 feet from the center, form the “square” that is 67 
feet on a side.

The control box for the phasing is at ground level.

Here is the tricky part (for me).  My 150 foot tower has an insulator section 
at 27 feet above ground where it is fed as the 16O meter vertical.  There are 
7, full sized, radials connected together at 27 feet and there is where the 
shield of the 160 meter feed line is connected.  The 160 meter vertical is 
ground plane, not a grounded, vertical.  So now if I haven’t lost you, you 
might imagine a rather messy interwoven set of wires.  BTW, the guys are all 
phillystran.  In order to keep interaction at a minimum between the two 
antennas, there are multi-core common mode chokes on each of the four feed 
lines from the 80 meter array placed at the point where the feed lines cross 
the insulators on the 160 antenna.  This decouples them from 160 and keeps the 
impedance bump from affecting the feed point of the 160 antenna.

Both antennas work extremely well.  I have worked all continents on 160 using 5 
watts.  On 80, I get over 20 dB front to back and good front to side ratios.  I 
can’t recall right now what the number is.  I regularly get answers from Europe 
when I call CQ with 5 watts on 80.

Finally, to make my point … I have two vertical antennas operating very well in 
an environment that says there “should” be close coupling and interaction.  
They work well.

Your situation is that the antennas you will be close to are all horizontal, 
which should give you a break in keeping them isolated.  Your feedlines and 
radials will all be at ground level, which is good news, again, for any 
interaction with the higher, horizontal antennas.

Having said all of that… go ahead and model it all to your satisfaction.  But, 
modeling programs are only as good as the files used to run them and then only 
if the programs are sufficiently sophisticated to handle a system like this.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

73,

Dave, K4TO

ps — the system has been in place for close to 20 years now.


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