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Re: [TowerTalk] Wire Antennas Only For Field Day

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wire Antennas Only For Field Day
From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 03:51:23 -0400
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IF an EMP hasn't wiped out all the latest and greatest rigs...or all SS rigs over a wide area. Emergency power will be a necessity. Forget any generator with electronic controls unless it/they were properly stored. Digital modes with their great abilities? Any let that work. Any left to hear them? Digital really shines in simulated emergencies, but is likely to be useless with an EMP, or CME Power? Power means fuel used and available operating time. Balance the need for power with the need for speed. This eliminates nearly all newbies and old timers who can't make the training meetings any more.

BTW, at this point efficiency comes back to rear it's ugly head. Every watt saved is available operating time. This is where the exotic amplification classes come in...if any still work.

In a "for real" national emergency, (any country or continent) it's not unlikely we will be back to the simplest forms of communications such as CW and maybe SSB with restored boat anchors. Will we want big, efficient antennas or invisible wires through the trees? Are those big antennas a possible incentive for unwanted visits, by who knows what? Efficient Stealth antennas?

As for FD, keep an active log (no not that one) of people exposed to ham radio and those that later join classes. Compare ALL your activities year to year, not just operating scores.

Has anyone noticed an increase or decrease in FD activities in your area

I haven't participated in FD except for taking pictures for decades.

73, Roger (K8RI)


On 7/6/2017 Thursday 1:43 AM, Jim Thomson wrote:
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 17:51:23 -0700
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
To: Tom Osborne <w7why1@gmail.com>, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wire Antennas Only For Field Day

<A good point, "it's not a contest", but every club has different goals
<as does the ARRL beyond "emergency test".  Our primary club goals are
<increased participation, learning, and promoting ham radio.  So
<operators range from coaching newly minted, never spoke on HF to hard
<core contesters, one cw and one ssb stations plus a GOTA and VHF/UHF.
<Every operator has a different style/goal & skill/experience level.

##  The results are still listed as contest scores... which is good.  It 
provides
a bench mark for each  group.   IE: they can then compare their...score  from 
one
year to the next to the next... and see at a glance if they have improved ..or 
not, and
what works and what doesnt work.  They could also try various setups, and 
evaluate
both the ants, any interstation interaction,  gen issues, and all other 
issues..and do all of
that well before hand, like 1-3 months ahead of FD.   In any real emergency, 
like NK
dropping nukes on our heads, the stations would be required to be on the air 
for a
heck of a lot longer than 24 hrs, more like weeks.   So you really require a 
plan B for
longer term, sustained operation. And if the real emergency is in NOV, in the 
middle of
storm season,  you had better be ready for that scenario.  Or worse yet, in 
middle of winter, at
3 AM, with a blizzard and an ice storm.   Setting up ants and stations in June 
is a walk in the
park by comparison.   You may not be able to use your favourite mountain top FD 
site in winter.




<However, making it really hard for newbies with QRP or poor antennas,
<won't bring many back when they find just the QRM and logging challenges
<pretty daunting.   It is easy to forget how well experienced ops hear,
<run short and fast Q's, and multitask the logging work vs newbies.

<So, keep the "rules" as they are is my vote.  Keep FD a big tent for ham
<radio.

## agreed. Poor ants,  compromise ants, + QRP = a frustrating disaster.   Its
not reliable for   emergency coms. QRP is not for newbies, its a specialized 
art form.
100 watts + lousy ants = reduced effectiveness.   With a kw, you are in and out 
in seconds.
Even 500 watts is  7 db stronger than 100 watts..and thats a bunch.    500 
watts is what I
would consider the bare minimum for any mobile steup..to be effective, esp on 
80 + 40m.




<And FD is a "gateway drug" to real contesting for some newbies I've
<coached. :-)

<Grant KZ1W

##  and here I thought the 813 tube was a .. gateway drug.
What might well work better for a real emergency, is having
a gen set, or UPS power, solar, wind, batteries etc....for home stations.
Any home station is better built, already built, pre-tested, and ready to go on
the air at a moments notice.... provided you have AC power to run stuff.  Or 
run everything
on 12 vdc, or have at least one 12 vdc xcvr for emergency use.  In a pinch, one 
could run coax
from home station ants....  to your car in the drive way.   Grants  2 el 80m 
yagi would work a lot better
than any 80m mobile ant... in his parked vehicle.

##  Solar cycle sucks.   The emphasis should be on 160-80-60-40-30m..and maybe 
20m.   Any home station
with a reasonably good low band setup + kw,  would be way ahead of any  FD 
setup in the bush with a TA-33 jr,
operating on a dead 20-15-10m band.   During the daytime,  if 20-10m is a dead 
loss, the lower bands may well fare even worse,
which puts  40+30m at the fore front.   Of course this all depends on  where 
you are trying to talk to..across town, the
next town over,  or 1-4 states over, like 100-1500+ miles away.   The 15M 
stack, fixed on JA... if you are on the west coast,
probably wont do you much good.

Jim   VE7RF
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