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Re: [TowerTalk] Yagi Mechanical

To: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Yagi Mechanical
From: "StellarCAT" <rxdesign@ssvecnet.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 16:01:57 -0400
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I've used it. My biggest complaint is it is awkward on how you build elements ... and the boom part is really lacking. For example the program should readily know where the COG is for the finished antenna... but instead you have to tell it where to 'start' (for the mast location) and then play with it again and again. I could find solutions all up and down - I'd rather an automatic first off calculation of the COG, easily done, tell me where it is and go from there.

Gary
K9RX



-----Original Message----- From: Jim Thomson
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:20 PM
To: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: [TowerTalk] Yagi Mechanical

How many of you folks have used the latest software version of DX engineering... yagi mechanical ? YM spits out everything from windload of what ever you are modeling, to weight, to costs, total length, res freq, tq imbalance on a boom, how ot fix that issue, max wind speed, you name it. Although a total of 6 x different wind specs can be used, upon talking to a few ant makers, they all use the.. no spec option, which is what you get in a wind tunnel. Its a bit more stringent than the 222-C spec.

Its an eye opener to say the least, as you can juggle all sorts of tubing schedules around, up to 20 diameters, changing OD, ID, changing to any wall thickness, and stuff like adding inner re-enforcement liners. Or doing different splice techniques, like a plane swedge, or an inner sleeve, or an outer sleeve, or both. This can be done on both the boom and any ele.

One caveat, they list 6063-T832 as 35 ksi yield strength, when it is actually 39 ksi. 6061-T6 is 40 ksi yield. Easily corrected,
as you can enter any number you want.

You can also add any amount of ice to the mix, then see the results asap, like how much wind it will handle, with XXX
ice on it.   Or see how much additional  sag occurs  with XXX ice.

Play around with it long enough, and you can readily either modify any existing design, beefing it up quite a bit, without adding hardly any additional weight, or design an ele or boom from scratch. It will show you where all the weak links in the chain are. It will also spit out sag at the boom or ele tips, and also the horizontal deflection of an ele or boom, when either is broadside to the wind...and provide numbers for any wind speed you enter. Or default to the max horz deflection for an ele or boom, at V max..which is the max speed for an ele or boom. Will also show you the effects of adding either an overhead truss on a boom or ele...as far as reducing sag.... or show the effects on horz deflection, if side guying is used on a boom or ele. Or the effects of various length mounting plates..on either an ele..or boom.

An eye opener, when plugging in hb yagi designs from the 70s and 80s..and also stuff like old hy-gains and telrex and wilsons from years ago. At the very least, it is cheap entertainment. In a practical sense, places where I intended to re-enforce, I find out after using the software, was a waste of effort, and bought me nothing. Meanwhile the software spat out where the real problem area actually was, which then makes
it easy to fix.

If designing from scratch, the idea is to design an ele , such that you get max bang for the buck, with the least windload and weight. I designed and built a pair of 17.5 ft long T bar capacity hats..... b4 I bought the software, dumb move on my part. With some minor tweaking on the software, I managed to increase the wind survivability by a substantial amount, and only increasing weight by a miniscule amount.. like just .4 lb per T bar. My latest creation weighs exactly 2.5 lbs, and is good for 122 mph, and sags just 2 inches at the tips. Using readily available tubing in 3 and 6 ft lengths, I also ended up wasting zero tubing in the process. Software was cheap, runs on windows, and they provide for automatic updates. So far, so good. What it wont do is factor in the weight from rivets, nuts + bolts, hose clamps etc, etc, so the total sag
number will be a hair more than what it depicts.

Jim VE7RF
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