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Re: [TowerTalk] Sad news N5IA SK in tower fall

To: "'Matthew Kaufman'" <matthew@matthew.at>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Sad news N5IA SK in tower fall
From: "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered@earthlink.net>
Reply-to: sawyered@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:55:16 -0400
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I agree completely.

So then the commercial owner should be paying for a pro and at pro rates,
right?

Obviously, if this is a repeater site shared on a commercial tower, then the
commercial operator should have rules and they should be respected on their
tower.  No argument there.

I wonder how specific those rules actually are that should be followed, eh?

Ed  N1UR

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Kaufman [mailto:matthew@matthew.at] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:25 AM
To: sawyered@earthlink.net
Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Sad news N5IA SK in tower fall

Problem comes when you are climbing someone else's tower. After you fall to
your death, you don't get to participate in the liability insurance fight
that ensues.

My understanding is that this wasn't his own tower, and the tower site owner
should be very unhappy with his decision... If a commercial site, definitely
a violation of their policies... Which is exactly how hams get kicked off of
commercial tower sites, and new hams get turned down when they ask.

Matthew Kaufman

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Ed Sawyer <sawyered@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Very sad to hear.  I didn't know Milt but those that did sure describe 
> a great person.
> 
> 
> 
> A 70+ year old free climber that has been doing it for decades and as 
> solid a person as Milt is described, had fully processed and come to 
> peace with what balance of safety, speed, and convenience he was 
> deciding, in my opinion.
> 
> 
> 
> At 54, and having climbed for almost 40 years (first as a 16 year old 
> free climber with the old leather lineman's belts), I know that 
> balance well.  I personally free climb to the first set of guys 
> (usually 25 - 35 feet depending on the tower) unless the weather is 
> VERY cold (fear of stiff
> hands) and then "clip in" as I go after that.  But I don't use dual clips.
> Just am not climbing while unclipped above that height.  I am always 
> clipped in as I stop and work, at any height.  Is it the utmost in 
> safety?  No, but it does prevent me from moving while unclipped at 
> dangerous heights.  If I were to lose a grip while climbing, I am belted
in.
> 
> 
> 
> We all know these choices.  If this tragic accident causes you to 
> change your mind, great.  It needed to be changed.  If you are truly 
> at peace with what you are doing and why, then it shouldn't matter.
> 
> 
> 
> I can think of A LOT worse ways to go than falling to my death, doing 
> what I loved, at 70+.
> 
> 
> 
> Rest in peace Milt.
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> 
> 
> Ed  N1UR
> 
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