The electrician I had (who does a LOT of grounding work here) come out to
connect my tower ground to the service ground told me he would be glad to drive
the extra rods extending out from the tower, but doing so would add no benefit
at all. I have no idea if this is true or not. At some point, lacking personal
knowledge, ya have to take someone's word for it. My tower megged out at 4
ohms.
Mike NF4L
> On Jan 19, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Brian Carling <bcarling@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> The advice varies about this considerably. This week is the first time I've
> even heard of UF ER or conductive concrete!
>
> The professional experts that I know recommend putting a 20 to 30 foot ground
> rod into the ground at each corner of your house and connecting heavy gauge
> copper conductors up to lightning rodsup on the roof.
>
> It seems like if the only thing you need is a large area of this allegedly
> conductive concrete stuck in the ground, why not ground everything to the
> concrete slab your house sits on!!
>
> Best regards - Brian Carling
> AF4K Crystals Co.
> 117 Sterling Pine St.
> Sanford, FL 32773
>
> Tel: +USA 321-262-5471
>
>
>
>
>> On Jan 19, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From what you have said, I take it that putting a single (or even 2 or 3)
>> ground rods on a tower base that is in a good bit of concrete is
>> wasted effort? The tower base and concrete should dissipate most of a
>> lightning strike?
>>
>> Chuck W5PR
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The real issue is that the concept of "RF Ground" is a myth and the result
>>> of fuzzy thinking. Part of the reason is what Jim has addressed below. The
>>> other reason is simply that a connection to earth does NOT make TX antennas
>>> work better, and is NOT part of a solution to hum, buzz, or RFI. The earth
>>> is NOT a sink into which noise and RF is dumped. The ONLY reasons for an
>>> earth connection are to sink lightning current and other equipment-related
>>> surge currents on the AC line.
>>>
>>> My late colleague, Neil Muncy, ex-W3WJE, taught classes on power and
>>> grounding for many years to audio professionals, and I took over those
>>> classes when he no longer had the health to do them. He is also the guy who
>>> alerted the world to "The Pin One Problem" back in 1994. He gave one of my
>>> favorite teaching examples. He would say to a class, "park yourself at the
>>> end of the runway of the nearest major airport with a good pair of
>>> binoculars, and call me collect when you see an aircraft take off trailing
>>> a ground wire."
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>
>>>> On Mon,1/19/2015 9:15 AM, Jim Lux wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are there different answers depending on why we have the ground rod? (RF
>>>>> ground, power line ground, or lightning protection)
>>>> Yes..
>>>>
>>>> ground rods make terrible RF grounds, in general (where RF is HF and up):
>>>> skin effect means that wires and rods have high ac resistance. (skin depth
>>>> in copper at 10 MHz is about 0.8 mils/0.02 mm.)
>>>>
>>>> They also have significant series L (1 microhenry/meter for a wire.. so a
>>>> 30 foot run to the rod is a 10 uH inductor, that's 600 ohms reactive
>>>> impedance.
>>>>
>>>> Rods are really for electrical safety ground and/or lightning ground. And
>>>> they don't work all that well for that, unless deployed in large numbers.
>>>> The advantage of a rod is that it's easy to install by driving, but as an
>>>> electrical connection to the earth, it's just not that wonderful: the
>>>> surface area is quite small (8 foot rod, 1" in diameter is only 300 square
>>>> inches. You could probably do better, electrically, by burying a 1 foot
>>>> square plate (288 square inches).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rods are also used in phone and power line applications.. you drive a rod
>>>> at every pole (or wrap the ground wire around the foot of the pole when
>>>> planting it). Even if any one rod has crummy characteristics, there's lots
>>>> of other rods in the circuit to help establish the common voltage reference
>>>> and provide a fault current return. I've had telco installers drive a new
>>>> rod next to the existing rods on the general principle that at least they
>>>> knew the new rod was in good condition: faster to just do a new rod than to
>>>> test the existing one
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