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Re: [TowerTalk] w7ekb & ground rods

To: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] w7ekb & ground rods
From: Brian Carling <bcarling@cfl.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:54:04 -0500
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910 micro Henry sounds like a very useful loading coil to me!! I have had no 
difficulty using a ground rod as a counterpoise to my vertical. In fact it's 
done extremely well. I added two radios because the experts said it would make 
it work better. It didn't.

Best regards - Brian Carling
AF4K Crystals Co.
117 Sterling Pine St.
Sanford, FL 32773

Tel: +USA 321-262-5471




> On Jan 19, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/19/15 8:45 AM, Ken wrote:
>> It seems to me that the ground above my rock layer (@ 36-40”)  gets really 
>> dry during the summer.  Does that dry dirt have enough conductivity to be 
>> useful?  I do not know the answer to that question.
>> 
>> Are there different answers depending on why we have the ground rod?  (RF 
>> ground, power line ground, or lightning protection)
> 
> Yes..
> 
> ground rods make terrible RF grounds, in general (where RF is HF and up): 
> skin effect means that wires and rods have high ac resistance. (skin depth in 
> copper at 10 MHz is about 0.8 mils/0.02 mm.)
> 
> They also have significant series L (1 microhenry/meter for a wire.. so a 30 
> foot run to the rod is a 10 uH inductor, that's 600 ohms reactive impedance.
> 
> Rods are really for electrical safety ground and/or lightning ground. And 
> they don't work all that well for that, unless deployed in large numbers.  
> The advantage of a rod is that it's easy to install by driving, but as an 
> electrical connection to the earth, it's just not that wonderful: the surface 
> area is quite small (8 foot rod, 1" in diameter is only 300 square inches.  
> You could probably do better, electrically, by burying a 1 foot square plate 
> (288 square inches).
> 
> 
> Rods are also used in phone and power line applications.. you drive a rod at 
> every pole (or wrap the ground wire around the foot of the pole when planting 
> it).  Even if any one rod has crummy characteristics, there's lots of other 
> rods in the circuit to help establish the common voltage reference and 
> provide a fault current return.  I've had telco installers drive a new rod 
> next to the existing rods on the general principle that at least they knew 
> the new rod was in good condition: faster to just do a new rod than to test 
> the existing one.
> 
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