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Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: [CQ-Contest] Stacking on separate towers, take off

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd: [CQ-Contest] Stacking on separate towers, take off angles?
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:49:14 -0700
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1. Deciding which phases to use for multiple antennas is harder than hell if you try to do it by trial and error. Simply "feeding the antennas in phase" as the original post suggested will not work.

2. Actually creating a variable phasing network for multiple antennas that accounts for different beam directions while giving a consistent SWR is even harder ... with or without the math.

Dave   AB7E



On 3/16/2013 9:53 AM, Hans Hammarquist wrote:
Driving several yagis located next to each other and get a predicable result is not that 
hard. You "just" have to phase them correctly and point them in the direction 
your resulting wave front is going This has been done for many years in certain RADAR 
installations.


You don't even have to be that precise with the phase angle at each antenna, 
1/8 wavelength is well enough.


If you have an installation there the antennas are lined up on a straight line and you 
feed each antenna is phase with the rest you main lobe will be perpendicular to the line. 
If you delay the feed to the antennas to the right, looking in the direction of your main 
lobe, the lobe will start to bend to the right. The math is rather simple even if it 
sounds complicated when you try to write it down. My suggestion, if you want to study it 
a little deeper, start looking for "diffraction" such as 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction . That gives you some ideas.


Hans - N2JFS



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: towertalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:55 am
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [CQ-Contest] Stacking on separate towers, take off 
angles?


On 3/15/2013 8:19 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
No way that the respective wavefronts will add in all of those
directions.  Geometry alone would tell you they are much more likely
to cancel in some directions.
Right. MANY directional arrays are the result of wavefronts from
multiple driven elements that add algebraically (magnitude and phase)
differently in different directions and elevation angles. Magnitude and
phase of any antenna varies with both horizontal and vertical angle, and
antennas will have some magnitude and phase relationships to each other
based on their  spatial relationships.

Yes, we can drive two or three Yagis pointed in the same or different
directions, but HOW they combine to form a pattern can be as close to
the infinite number of monkeys and typewriters as it is to how the
operator thinks he is aiming them.

73, Jim K9YC
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