Not so - it should be "gilded" tower - it reflects all things at the speed
of light.
73
John. ZL1BHQ
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> 12 flagpole (Kelly Taylor)
> 5. Re: gided tower (Kelly Taylor)
> 6. Re: gided tower (D Calder)
> 7. Re: gided tower (TexasRF@aol.com)
> 8. Bury Flex (Mark Robinson)
> 9. Newbee concrete rebar questions (Jim Thomson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:52:25 -0500
> From: "John Langdon" <jlangdon@outer.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
> To: "'Roger \(K8RI\)'" <K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net>,
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> I thought it was the past tense of guyed.
>
> 73 John N5CQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Roger (K8RI)
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:39 AM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>
>
>
> On 9/16/2010 7:47 PM, Michael Ryan wrote:
>> Anyone no wat a gided tower is? -
> It's lost and needs to be shown the way. IE...guided.
>
> 73
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
>> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K1TTT
>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:33 PM
>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>
>> I probably should have put a frowny face after that to make sure everyone
>> got it as sarcasm.
>>
>>
>> David Robbins K1TTT
>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Goins [mailto:wmgoins@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 23:25
>>> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>>
>>> It would still be "guyed" tower, not "guided." I always find that
> amazing.
>>> It's like "bob wire" here in Texas (barbed wire). Very often spelled
>>> incorrectly.
>>>
>>> Mike, k5wmg
>>> Pipe Creek, Texas
>>> Green cars, slow boats, big dogs, old trucks, little radios, and summers
>>> off
>>> to write
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, K1TTT<K1TTT@arrl.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>>> 'guided'
>>>> tower.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Robbins K1TTT
>>>> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>>> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>>> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Danny Pease [mailto:dpease@adams.net]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 21:31
>>>>> To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess a "gided" tower is one that uses "gide wires", not guy wires.
>>>>>
>>>>> NG9R
>>>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:57:28 -0400
> From: Ken Nicely <ken@nicelyweb.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 6BTV vs HF2Vvsr DX Engineering 10-80
> vertical, or Force 12 flagpole
> To: Mike Murphy <kd8ok@yahoo.com>
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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> I have the old hy-gain version of the 6BTV and I have an HF6V. I often
> operate in diversity receive with the Hy-Gain in one ear and the HF6V in
> the
> other. The HF6V always hears better than the Hy-Gain, but only
> marginally.
> I also feel the HF6V gets out better than the Hy-Gain.
>
> On another note, I recently compared a home brew 43 foot vertical with a
> 4:1
> balun against the HF6V and the HF6V was far superior in all respects.
>
> I know these antennas are not an exact representation of what you are
> looking at, but they are very similar, so I thought it might be helpful.
>
> Ken
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:32:20 +0300
> From: <hodgson@cytanet.com.cy>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] SUTRO TOWER CLIMB
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> The Sutro climb is still available on youtube.
>
> Pretty hairy.
>
> 73 Steve, ZC4LI.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccjrp5NRYE
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:58:27 -0500
> From: Kelly Taylor <theroadtrip@mts.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 6BTV vs HF2Vvsr DX Engineering 10-80
> vertical, or Force 12 flagpole
> To: Ryan Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>, Tom Anderson
> <andersonww5l@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: towertalk@contesting.com
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> I have a 5BTV and shouting at the trees works better than the 5BTV...
>
> (on 80).
>
>
>
>
> On 9/16/10 8:43 PM, "Ryan Jairam" <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a 6BTV and my inverted vee works better on 80.
>>
>> Ryan, N2RJ
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Tom Anderson
>> <andersonww5l@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Fellow Tower Talkians:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine gave me a Hustler 6BTV vertical which I was planning on
>>> using to supplement my 40/80 inverted vee at 50 feet and my Tennadyne
>>> T-10
>>> log periodic.
>>>
>>> Just wondering how the 6BTV plays against something like a Butternut
>>> HF2V, DX
>>> Engineering's 40 ft 10-80 vertical, or Force 12s flagpole vertical?
>>> Looking
>>> mainly for something decent on 40/80.
>>>
>>> Tom, WW5L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:33:51 -0500
> From: Kelly Taylor <theroadtrip@mts.net>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
> To: Tom Osborne <w7why@frontier.com>, Towertalk
> <towertalk@contesting.com>
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> 'Guided' tower? So it has it's own seeing-eye dog? Can't it get by with
> the
> little white cane? I mean, it doesn't have far to go...
>
>
> On 9/16/10 10:21 PM, "Tom Osborne" <w7why@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>>> 'guided'
>>> tower.
>>>
>> Who needs a spell checker?
>>
>> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The
>> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
>> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
>> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
>> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
>> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
>> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas thought
>> slpeling was ipmorantt. 73
>>
>>
>> Tom W7WHY
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:03:55 -0400
> From: "D Calder" <towertalk@n4zkf.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
> To: "'Towertalk'" <towertalk@contesting.com>
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> You can always feel the love in this group......
>
> Dave n4zkf
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:34 PM
> To: Tom Osborne; Towertalk
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
>
> 'Guided' tower? So it has it's own seeing-eye dog? Can't it get by with
> the
> little white cane? I mean, it doesn't have far to go...
>
>
> On 9/16/10 10:21 PM, "Tom Osborne" <w7why@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>>> 'guided'
>>> tower.
>>>
>> Who needs a spell checker?
>>
>> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg
>> The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at
>> Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a
>> wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer
>> be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll
>> raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not
>> raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh
> and I awlyas thought
>> slpeling was ipmorantt. 73
>>
>>
>> Tom W7WHY
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:18:49 EDT
> From: TexasRF@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] gided tower
> To: w7why@frontier.com, towertalk@contesting.com
> Message-ID: <11e421.11e55464.39c4b6a9@aol.com>
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>
> Tom/all, While it is readable, it sure slows me down. Probably means I am
> not nearly as smart as I thought!
>
> 73,
> Gerald K5GW
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/2010 10:21:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> w7why@frontier.com writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>> That was just a misspelling, later on he spelled it corrected as
>> 'guided'
>> tower.
>>
> Who needs a spell checker?
>
> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The
> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
> Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the
> olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit
> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a
> porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by
> istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas thought
> slpeling was ipmorantt. 73
>
>
> Tom W7WHY
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>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:51:28 -0400
> From: "Mark Robinson" <markrob@mindspring.com>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Bury Flex
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
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>
> Now I am running out of Bury Flex. Iwas told by a distributor that it will
> be 3 to 4 weeks before any stock comes in. Does anyone know if this is a
> good date or is it likely to slip out further? If I have a good date then
> I
> can figure my options.
>
>
> 73 Mark N1UK
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:52:42 -0700
> From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Newbee concrete rebar questions
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
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> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:56:56 -0700
> From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Newbee concrete rebar questions
>
>
> Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that significant corrosion
> would travel down the path of a thin wire. It certainly isn't a
> moisture issue, since moisture readily penetrates concrete anyway.
>
> ## I wouldn't bet on it any time soon. On this last cage I had built, the
> re-bar guys installed short 3' long bar's , 2 per corner..right at the
> top tie,
> to stop it from wobbling abt. The ends of the bars were touching the
> clay sidewalls.
> The PE went nut's when he saw that. I explained to him that the 8 x temp
> bars
> were being removed, when the concrete was 95% to the top.
>
> ## We have a condo across town here, that has huge amounts of it's
> re-bar
> literally disintegrated..starting from the very bottom. Dunno if they
> forgot to install
> dobe blocks under them or not. Some how, vast amounts of water have
> managed
> to get beneath the foundation, and started eating the re-bar. It's now a
> maze
> of hollow tunnels. Those giant concrete support columns and side walls
> in the
> underground parking lot are now seriously compromised. They X-rayed it
> all,
> and also took some of it apart. 1st Time it has ever happened.
>
> ## Ever pounded/jack hammered galvanized grnd rods into clay/soil ?
> They will disintegrate in 10 years. A buddy [ who was in a rental house]
> installed
> the bottom section of a 50' galvanized guyed tower, directly into a 2'
> deep hole, with no concrete
> at all.. then used a house bracket, plus guy wires. When he removed the
> bottom section from
> the grnd, 11 years later, 65% of it had vanished ! Whole sections of
> bracing were gone, plus
> the tower legs had huge chunks missing.
>
> ## rebar is cheap. Just use some vertical rebar, but use dobe blocks
> under them. They are just
> small concrete blocks with a slot running down the top side. The rebar
> sits in the slot, and won't budge.
> There are abt 6 x different ways to tie rebar with the wire. [ on line]
> Take a piece of wire, 24" long, and fold it in
> 1/2.... like a hairpin. That's what's used to tie the bars. The
> rebar place also has the blocks..plus loads of wire.
>
> ## concrete has loads of compressive strength.. but hardly any tensile
> [ stretching] strength... hence
> the use of vertical rebars. The horizontal grid of bars stops the top
> from blowing out...and re-enforces
> the legs embedded in the concrete..since they are a distance from the
> re-bar ties. [ Horz hoops]
>
> ## forget the prime directive. Who ever designed the cage, using 2 x
> horizontal grids of bars
> in parallel... and no vertical bars was asleep at the switch. It also
> appears they did not use
> horizontal 'ties' either. The ties are just square hoops, made from
> one continuous piece of re-bar,
> with an overlap in the corner. Their is usually ties every 6-12",
> starting at the top. The ties are
> supported by the vertical rebars. The bottom/top grid of bars goes in
> dead last. Vertical bars
> go inside the ties. It's like they gave you step 3..and missed steps
> 1+2.
>
> ## All the re-bar at the very top should be down at least 3"..and pref
> 4-5". The top surface is what's exposed
> to the rain. If it's only embedded 1- 1.5" it won't last. You want
> a min of 3" on all sides and 2-3" on the bottom.
>
> later... Jim VE7RF
>
>
>
> It's
> the PH of the concrete that inhibits corrosion of the embedded rebar
> even though it ALWAYS gets "wet" unless you live in Antarctica.
> Corrosion only travels along a wire or rod if it is large enough that
> the PH of the concrete is physically buffered from the iron core. I
> don't think that is likely with a thin wire.
>
> If you're worried about it, though, use something like copper wire or
> stainless steel wire. There may be some dissimilar metal corrosion
> where the wire meets the rebar, but as soon as the junction rots away
> the corrosion would stop as well.
>
> Or just use something strong and non-metallic like nylon twine. As I
> said, there's no point in worrying about a path for moisture because of
> the porosity of the concrete, and you're going to get microcracks in the
> concrete anyway.
>
> 73,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
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