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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Shack wiring
From: HansLG@aol.com
Reply-to: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:32:06 EDT
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Hi Jim,
 
See my answers below:
 
In a message dated 3/19/2010 9:02:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jim@audiosystemsgroup.com writes:

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:31:11 EDT, HansLG@aol.com wrote:

>  
>Hi Jim,
> 
>I still don't get it (maybe because I am  dumb). At my service entrance  
is 
>a protector that connects has  two MOVs, one from each leg to ground.  
Ground 
>in this case is  the same as neutral 

That's very good (assuming it's a good unit).  


This ground is the 8' grounding pole just at the  entrance.

>At the water pump is also a protector   
>that has MOVs from the two legs (the pump is a 240 V pump) and ground.  

What is that "ground?"  EXACTLY where is it connected? Is there  any 
control wiring 
running from the water pump to anything else?  How  much inductance is in 
the green 
wire between there and the service  entrance ground?  These additional MOVs 
have the 
potential to cause a  destructive failure. It is SAFE to have an MOV from 
Line to 
Line at that  point. 
 
The line comes from the pump relay. There are no other wiring here.  The 
green ground is approximately 30' from the service entrance. The green  ground 
is also connected to a uninsolated wire that goes down to the pump,  
(something I questioned at the time of installation). The pump is an immersed  
pump 50' down in the well.

>In the 
> shack I have a  protector that connects MOVs from neutral AND the hot 120 
V 
>leg   to ground. It also incorporate a protecting circuits for my phone, 
it  
>has two  gas discharge tubes between the line and ground.  

Same questions -- what is that "ground?"  EXACTLY where is it  connected? 
Is there 
any control wiring running from the shack to anything  else? How much 
inductance is 
in the green wire between there and the  service entrance ground?  These 
additional 
MOVs have the potential to  cause a destructive failure. It is SAFE to have 
an MOV 
from Line to  Neutral at that point. 
 
The ground here is the green ground + a wire shield surrounding the  shack. 
(The shack is on the top, 4th, floor of my house. I didn't find  the green 
ground to be of any value for RF and added a large shield  around the 
shack.) The only "control wire" is the telephone line that is  protected but 
gas 
discharge tubes, connected to the green ground.
>  
>Should I disconnect al MOVs that are connected to ground ??? As I  wrote 
to  
>you earlier, my house has had two registered lightning  hits (and possible 
a 
> couple of more we don't know about) and  everything survived.
> 
>Can anyone describe the failure mode that  makes the MOV from the hot leg 
to 
>ground bad?

I've done that  several times in earlier posts. See also pages 29 and 30 of 

_http://audiosystemsgroup.com/SurgeXPowerGround.pdf_ 
(http://audiosystemsgroup.com/SurgeXPowerGround.pdf) 
 
I'll be happy to check that when I am at a better internet  connection.


Thanks and 73 de,
 
Hans-N2JFS




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