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Re: [TowerTalk] Unique Inv L...Help!

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Unique Inv L...Help!
From: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:42:36 -0600
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If you think about it for a moment, you should be able to see why you 
have the rfi problem and why the antenna is noisy.  One half of your 
antenna is up in the tree.  The other half of your antenna is whatever 
is attached to your house ground system.  That includes ac wiring, TV 
cables, telephone cables, and computer cables.  The best way to pick up 
signals from electronic devices, or to give them rfi, is to connect your 
antenna directly to the device.  You did that.

 From your description of your LW, you must have about 160 feet of 
antenna horizontal and about 100 feet vertical.  That's a total of about 
a half wave on 160, a very bad length to try and match.  It also doesn't 
put out a very good pattern on 160.  I don't think it will beat a dipole 
at 100 ft, except off the ends of the dipole.  If you could shorten the 
top wire to about 50 ft, it would be much easier to match.  All you 
would need would be a series cap.  It should then beat the dipole for 
elevation angles less than about 18 degrees, and also beat the dipole 
off the ends of the dipole for even higher angles.

Another option is to connect both feedline wires together to your Cobra 
and feed it as a T on 160.  This will require a different matching 
network because the feedpoint impedance should be close to 100 ohms.

For both of these you need a good set of ground radials.  If you don't 
have that, the dipole will probably beat both of these.

Jerry, K4SAV

Edward Sylvester wrote:

>What a great group!  I have one more antenna curiosity for my second QTH....I 
>work up north during the week and stay in my RV...I have the good fortune of 
>having access to the tall pine trees (>100' tall).  I installed two 
>antennas....
>
>The first is a Cobra Ultralite Senior (140' linear loaded, fed with open wire 
>line).  This rivals some of the best antennas I have ever had.  Tunes 6-160m.
>
>Because the span between trees is about 300', I decided to add a second 
>antenna in series to take advantage of the set up.  This second antenna is a 
>LW with a total length of 300' or so.
>
>I have compared the two and I prefer the dipole.  The LW couples into anything 
>electronic and I hesitate to use it because it causes interference.  It's also 
>noisier and is virtually the same as the dipole, in terms of signal output.
>
>Hence, it's somewhat of a disappointment.  Plus, my signal on 160m is anemic.  
>Thinking I can convert this into an Inverted L for a better DX antenna.
>
>This would not be a resonant antenna for any specific band, as I don't know 
>the exact length and I don't have access to the horizontal portion for pruning.
>
>I had to hire a tree climber to install these!!  I just want to work with what 
>I have...
>
>Here are my thoughts....Why not bring the vertical portion of the LW to ground 
>level (about 100') and attach to non resonant radials?
>
>I can feed it with 450 ohm ladderline and terminate with 4:1 balun before 
>feeding it to a wideband tuner.  
>
>My question is, would I maintain the valuable characteristics of an Inv L and 
>would this be killer on 160m?  
>
>I currently feed this same LW into a remote balun, with an effective 
>counterpoise on the other terminal lug.  Only thing is that it's not a ground 
>level and I have no radials, per se.
>
>Thanks for the bandwidth.  As always, your thoughts are appreciated.
>
>73 and Happy New Year!
>
>Ed NI6S
>
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>
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