Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> I'm sure someone has done a nice NEC analysis comparing the
>> two, at least from a loss standpoint. I'll bet just about
>> anything is less than 10% loss, so even if you halved it
>> to 5%, the forward gain is going to change a tiny fraction
>> of a dB. You might do better just wrapping the elements in
>> copper foil.
>
> It's rather difficult to do an analysis for more than two
> bands due to the various interactions and changing loss
> with frequency due to circulating currents, etc. However,
> I believe L.B. Cebik, W4RNL had a fairly good analysis for
> a two band trapped yagi on his web site.
Why would it be difficult? You run the model with different FR cards,
you look at the loss number. We run NEC models at work over a decades of
bandwidth all the time, although some care is needed in building the
model and dealing with the segmentation. Traps are a problem because
modeling them is tricky.. they have both distributed and lumped
characteristics, perhaps that's what you're referring to?
Summarizing the results can be tricky (since what is "good" is in the
eye of the beholder in many cases)
>
> Practical measurements using the K7LXC/N0AX protocol tend
> to show that the two element per band Force 12 designs tend
> to show as much "real world" gain as larger (e.g. TH7DXX
> and KT36XA) trapped designs. The larger "multi-monoband"
> designs (e.g., C31XR) will have somewhat higher gain).
> The tunable antennas (e.g. SteppIR) will generate higher
> gain than any multiband antenna of the same boom length
> with a three element SteppIR "real world" gain within
> 10% of longer boom "multi-monoband" designs (where the
> full boom is not used on every band) and the four element
> SteppIR showing "real world" gain 50 to 60% higher than
> a comparable length "multi-monoband" design.
What would be interesting is to see the "rest of the pattern" to
understand the gain variation. Is it a loss issue or a less directivity
issue? Or a trading bandwidth for gain? I'll have to dig out the report
and look at it again.
>
> Analysis of data from several different tests/testers
> all using the same protocols indicate a gain deficit
> (measured vs. expected) of 1-2 dB for trapped antennas.
>
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