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Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

To: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws@triconet.org>, topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square
From: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Reply-to: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 18:59:40 -0700 (PDT)
List-post: <mailto:topband@contesting.com>
Good point Wes. I will see if I can find a decent value of resistor. My Rig 
Experts AA-170 was purchased because I did not trust the readings my MFJ-259b 
was giving me while working on my hytower. Pretty penny for these antenna 
analyzers. But I will bet if it won't do the stub frequency checks it won't do 
the velocity factor and more. Did work pretty good for checking SWR and 
feedpoint impedance on antennas like the hytower. Really liked it until this.


Terry

KI7M


> On June 9, 2018 at 5:11 PM Wes Stewart wrote:
> 
> 
>     Since he said the coax was 75-ohm, a 75-ohm termination would be better.
> 
> 
>     On 6/9/2018 5:07 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
> 
>         > > As a sanity check, terminate the coax with a 50 ohm resistor and 
> verify
> >         that you have good coax. Flat line at 1:1 SWR, etc.
> > 
> >         Rick N6RK
> > 
> >         On 6/9/2018 4:57 PM, terry burge wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > I don't know what is wrong here but I keep getting in 
> > this situation where my
> > >             typing starts running back over my writing. I will try again 
> > > to reply.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Joel,
> > > 
> > >             I have tried all that the manual says without success. All I 
> > > see is the
> > >             horizontal solid and dashed lines of R and X. No indication 
> > > of a resonance
> > >             point anywhere from 1880 KHz up to 10,500 KHz. Go figure? At 
> > > least my
> > >             mfj-259b is working old as it may be. Rig Experts is going to 
> > > get a nasty
> > >             note I think. Disappointing, huh?
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Terry
> > > 
> > >             KI7M
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > On June 9, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joel Harrison wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Hi Terry,
> > > > 
> > > >                 I replaced the 1/4 lines on my 80 meter 4 square this 
> > > > past fall and used
> > > >                 my AA-170 to set the length with no problem.
> > > > 
> > > >                 Just select "all" for the mode and set the freq you're 
> > > > aiming for and then
> > > >                 trim the line until X equals zero with the far end 
> > > > open. Should work fine.
> > > >                 I always calculate the length x VF then add a few feet 
> > > > to start.
> > > > 
> > > >                 73 Joel W5ZN
> > > >                 > > Hi guys and gals,
> > > >                 >
> > > >                 >
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > I have got DX Engineering 75 ohm foam 
> > > > coax to make the
> > > > >                     stubs/feeders for
> > > > >                     my Comtek 80 meter 4-Square and am finding some 
> > > > > difficulty.
> > > > >                     Neither my
> > > > >                     MFJ-259B nor my Rig Experts AA-170 seem to 
> > > > > indicate a 1/2 WL at
> > > > >                     7500 KHz
> > > > >                     or a 1/4 WL at 3750 KHz? Or any frequency up or 
> > > > > down from there.
> > > > >                     Seems to
> > > > >                     me the last time I did this a few years ago I 
> > > > > didn't have a problem
> > > > >                     getting a 1/2 WL dip indicating a resonance 
> > > > > location. But now I
> > > > >                     just don't
> > > > >                     get any indication of a resonance.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     DX Engineering said they had got some 75 ohm foam 
> > > > > coax that
> > > > >                     instead of
> > > > >                     0.84 VF was more like 0.80 down to 0.76 VF. But 
> > > > > checking all the
> > > > >                     way down
> > > > >                     to 6000 KHz on 40 meters or 2500 KHz on 80 meters 
> > > > > fails.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     My test is to use either antenna analyzer with a 
> > > > > PL-259 installed
> > > > >                     at one
> > > > >                     end and an open or a short at the other. I 
> > > > > started with 57'7" of
> > > > >                     coax.
> > > > >                     Tried both with the coax in a roll and strung 
> > > > > out. What am I doing
> > > > >                     wrong?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Terry
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     KI7M
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     😞
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