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Re: Topband: RX ant-Frozen ground

To: VE6WZ Steve <ve6wz@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Topband: RX ant-Frozen ground
From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 16:43:36 -0500
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Steve - when I see an increase in Intermod, my mind goes away from poor 
grounds, and towards oxidized connectors and flaky relay contacts.

Reseat all connectors, tighten all screws, and hot-switch relay contacts till 
you find the offender.

Tim N3QE

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:35 PM, VE6WZ Steve <ve6wz@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering what experiences are out there regarding small vertical array, 
> or beverage performance in the winter over frozen ground.
> 
> The reason for this question is that over the last 2 weeks or so, my HI-z 
> (24’ vertical) SDR skimmer antenna at my remote QTH has shown somewhat 
> diminished performance and a dramatic increase in AM inter-mod byproducts on 
> 160.
> During the somewhat hasty install of this antenna (the SDR “RBN skimmer” 
> antenna was not considered an important part of the station) I had some 
> trouble driving the ground rod for the HI-z amplifier and only ended up with 
> about 3’ of copper pipe driven into the ground. During this past summer and 
> fall the performance was good.
> Winter has been here for a while. Last night it was -28 deg C. Today, that 
> rod is now probably sitting in a block of solid ice. (ok, not solid ice, but 
> the conductive dissociated ions from the native salts distributed within the 
> soil are now locked in ice)
> 
> In truth I am not really concerned about this particular antenna, but I do 
> plan to install an 8 circle array as well as some beverages  this summer and 
> this problem got me thinking about making sure I have a “seasonally stable” 
> ground system up here in the frozen north.
> Some quick research points to potential frost depths ranging from 6’-8’ 
> depending on snow cover and soil type. Perhaps driving deeper rods could 
> help, but it seems to me that there will still be a seasonal change of 
> consequence. Literature associated with various short vertical array products 
> indicate that 3’-4’ rods should be adequate, but is this true in a northern 
> climate?
> For the most part, I could care less whether the array works in the 
> summer…..it’s during our winter DX season that I want performance.
> 
> Perhaps a very carefully designed and symmetrical short ground radial system 
> could stabilize things, but I know with phased rx vertical arrays this can be 
> a big problem and cause phase imbalances. Perhaps on my beverages a small 
> radial system at the termination would be helpful.
> 
> I am not new to rx antennas, having built and used numerous single wire 
> beverages, reversible beverages and end-fire phased beverages as well as 
> passive and active (Hi-z) phased vertical arrays at my home QTH, but have 
> never “noticed” a problem.
> BTW, it is possible that there is something else going on with my SDR antenna 
> other than a ground problem, and I will be checking that out next time I’m at 
> the station. However,  I think I’ll still want to consider the frozen ground 
> impact even if there is something else going on.
> 
> Any experiences, measurements or ideas from those living in places where it 
> snows a lot, you have something called a “block heater” for your car, and 
> when you work outside you last about 5 minutes before your hands and toes are 
> numb??
> 
> de steve ve6wz. 
> 
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