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Re: Topband: RX PREAMPS

To: "Mike Greenway" <K4PI@BELLSOUTH.NET>, "TOPBAND" <TOPBAND@CONTESTING.COM>
Subject: Re: Topband: RX PREAMPS
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:38:34 -0500
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I have used the HI Z rx system and also the DXE ones. HI Z said in the past no need for a sequencer to get power off the amps if the xmit ant was close to the rx system antennas. Close I would say 60 foot. DXE has always suggested using a sequencer to get power off the amps during xmit. I am going to be forced to move a DXE system within 65 ft or so of my 160 vertical and wonder if anyone has had any experience of using the DXE without a sequencer close to their xmit antenna. Just hate to install one more thing I could get around but will if absolutely necessary. I know moving it closer is not an ideal situation but you do what you have to. Any input? 73 Mike K4PI
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You actually have to try it and see. Interaction depends on the very fine details of the system, including cable lengths and the transmitter system does to the feedline when on RX and how the RX antenna couples to the TX antenna. As such, there will never be one universally true answer, so asking others won't really tell you how it will work with your system.

I do know that what Hardy said is basically correct. It models that way, it works the way he described.

If I place any RX vertically polarized antenna around my 160 TX antenna, even if the RX antenna is 250 feet or further away, I can always see a substantial interaction with certain termination changes in the TX antenna array when receiving. The only exception is if the RX antenna design nulls coupling to the TX antenna.

An RX antenna cannot be designed to be immune at such close spacings, unless it places a pretty deep null in the direction or in the polarization of the TX antenna.

So you have multiple things affecting how it will work:

1.) How your system terminates your TX antenna when on RX

2.) If the RX antenna nulls the TX antenna, either by pattern and/or by polarization

3.) What level damages things or affects things

4.) What else is around

5.) What people call good enough

and so on.

Since no two systems are identical in every single way, you just really have to try it.

73 Tom
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