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Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances

To: "'Tim Shoppa'" <tshoppa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Out-of-Turn Callers DX Expedition finances
From: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 08:12:29 -0600
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Tim those are kind thoughts.
But let me ask 'how much do you contribute in $".  As those who watch our
governments see it is easy for them to give away other people's money.
EU economic woes are self inflicted!  How many times does EU need to be
bailed out?  Forever?
I am not American but I appreciate a lot, not all, of the sacrifices they
have made.

Doug

-----Original Message-----

I turn on the news every day and hear about EU economic woes. What's wrong
with the "Marshall Plan for DX"? Just as NA (not just EU) benefited
economically from the real Marshall plan (I explain it to my kids using
their language as a "kickstarter" for EU-NA trade), NA guys benefit every
time an entity is activated even if they mostly work EU. Ham radio truly is
global, it is not a zero-sum game, we all get at least a couple Q's if not
all bands-all modes every time an entity is activated. And we should feel
good in our dumb-American smugness for donating the most (even though we
don't have to brag about it.)

Tim N3QE

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Doug Renwick <ve5ra@sasktel.net> wrote:

> The point that Garry is making, he did it very well, is that EU as a group
> should contribute more than what they are presently doing.  And he is
> right.
>
> Doug
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>  Garry,
> In the good old days when I was learning the art of ham radio from Don
> Miller's DX and contest operations and my Dad UB5WF, I've got an idea of
> the
> ham spirit that makes all of us equal under the Sun.
> This is the corner stone of our hobby - the equality, no matter how much
> one's paid for the hardware and antennae or has donated for a certain
> expedition.
> You presume that although we are equal, the country which paid more is
more
> equal then the others.
> I think this is completely wrong.
> In fact, how can you distinguish between those US hams who paid and those
> who not? Does it mean that their countrymen, in accordance with your
> theory,
> have paid for their free lunch?
> I was fortunate to have them all before the era of unproportionally
> expensive dxpeditions and accompanying aggressive fundraising has come.
>
> Пятница, 06 февраля 2015, 18:27 -08:00 от Garry Shapiro <garry@ni6t.com>:
> >Dado,
> >
> >When you go to see a film, do you expect your neighbor to buy your
> >ticket? Do you complain when you do not like the film?
> >
> >When you buy a car, do you expect your neighbor to pay the dealer? Do
> >you complain when the car is not perfect?
> >
> >When you go to a restaurant, do you expect your neighbor to buy you
> >dinner? Do you complain if you do not like the food?
> >
> >If you do, and get away with it, then you go right ahead and let your
> >fellow hams pay for your DXing. You are obviously an important person
> >and deserve such consideration. ;-)
> >It therefore must be a privilege for me to support your hobby for you,
> >and thank you.
> >
> >Back during the Arab oil embargo in 1973, there was a very popular
> >bumper sticker in the US which said:
> >
> >"Gas, grass or a**: nobody rides free."  That is American slang, but I
> >think you can figure it out.
> >
> >Garry, NI6T


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