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Re: Topband: K3 & some interesting noise lessons in the ARRL 160.

To: "Greg" <n4cc@windstream.net>, "'TopBand List'" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: K3 & some interesting noise lessons in the ARRL 160.
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:26:32 -0500
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Why would the NB null be frequency dependent?  Why does it change?  Why
would a different antenna make any difference unless you pick up different
noise sources with the two different antennas?  73, Greg-N4CC


This is an anomaly with the particular noise he has, and the particular noise blanker and all related settings. Unique things like this occasionally occur with noise blankers and noise reduction systems, or with any local signal we are trying to locate or get rid of.

It happens when the noise signal at the radio input is a mix of pulses arriving with various delays from multiple radiation points, such as when a single arcing source radiates from multiple points at greatly varying distances, all of which arrive at the receiver. As you change frequency the noise phase varies, because the distance in wavelengths for each path varies disproportionately. Say one radiation point is at a source, and another from the same source is 5 wavelengths further away (including velocity factor and the distance to and back from that point). If you change frequency 10%, you have changed 10% more (or 36 degrees in phase) for each wavelength between the radiation points. Also, time is a factor (although generally nearly constant with frequency change). At 5 wavelengths you have changed phase between the radiation points (of the same noise source) 180 degrees.

This also happens when the noise source is not broad band, and does not have the same characteristics over a wide frequency range. You can occasionally find sweet and sour spots where the blanker system "likes" the particular waveshape or noise characteristics that appear at some frequency.

After all that, the blanker comes into play. It would take a few pages to describe how blankers work and why they are sensitive to noise characteristics, and why that sensitivity causes a blanker system to work entirely different on two different noises.

All we really need to remember is what happens at one place on one noise source and one receiving antenna for one blanker and one blanker setting isn't very likely to repeat at another station. It isn't going to repeat if one thing changes in the wrong way, let alone more than one thing changing. Since countless things can potentially change, what happens in one place with a blanker has little value elsewhere.

The only thing ever repeatable is a wide bandwidth impulse noise from one source.

73 Tom
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