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Re: Topband: W8ji ATR-10 design 160M?

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Subject: Re: Topband: W8ji ATR-10 design 160M?
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:42:06 -0400
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As Tom notes, the widest possible matching range for a T-Network is with two
adjustable capacitors (and, presumably, a variable inductor, typically a
roller inductor). Constraining any one of these parameters reduces the
available matching range. Further, Tom correctly observes that many hams
damage their tuners by unwisely choosing a combination of C and L that
dissipates much of their transmitted RF in the tuner itself.

As early as 1983, when I reworked the ATR8 that Prime inherited from Amp Supply's engineering, I re-wrote the manual. Prior to that virtually every antenna tuner manual or "how-to guide" suggested setting the capacitors at half scale, and peaking the inductance for maximum noise.

When I designed the ATR15, I used fixed inductor settings that limited Q and tuning range. This eliminated the issue of picking too much inductance.

Later, I rewrote MFJ manuals, eliminating the suggestion to set the capacitor at half value.

There are three problems caused by using too much inductance, or too little capacitance.

1.) Voltage is too high. This causes arcing of capacitors, and can result in an instantaneous failure problem.

2.) Voltage across the inductor is too high. This can cause too much circulating current, and damage the inductor. This is a **time heating issue** related to average power.

3.) The network has to be retuned more frequently with frequency changes.

All of this is far more complex than a simple dissipation issue, because the self-Q of an inductor varies wildly with inductance tap. Not does unloaded Q vary, the ability of a roller to dissipate heat also varies. If most current is concentrated in a few turns, the inductor will be able to dissipate much less power. Optimum power rating is often not where inductance is lowest, even if that is lowest inductor loss.

It almost takes a book just to describe the actions inside an inductor as the system is changed.

The result of this, just like with baluns and MOV surge suppression, is that virtually any article, discussion, test, opinion, or web page will give an incomplete view. The system is too complex to give ten line answers, let alone three page answers.

This is why Jim Garland had to write a three section article, and even doing that, it remains a narrow slice of everything.

Also, despite claims by the ARRL and others that more capacitance increases power ratings, adding more capacitance does not always increase power rating. This is because an inductor's ability to dissipate heat, and even unloaded or self-Q, can increase faster with more inductance than electrical stress on the component decreases.

Simple answers are good for sales, and everyone likes a "this is what you need or don't need" answer, but devices with complex loads or complex system interactions cannot be represented by a simple model, simple analysis, or one line answers.

The world of tuners is like a big hobo soup kettle. T network tuners are not called T network tuners, and Pi network tuners are often not really operating as Pi's. Many things are called something just to help marketing, even if they aren't really working as what they are called. An optimum design depends not only on the load and band, an optimum design depends on the physical construction of the box all the way down to the construction and behavior of components inside the box.

The only accurate, simple, answer is "it depends".

73 Tom
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