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Re: Topband: Measuring Vertical input parameters while installing radial

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Subject: Re: Topband: Measuring Vertical input parameters while installing radials
From: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
Reply-to: n2ic@arrl.net
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:19:18 -0600
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Great empirical info, Eddie.

Can you say something qualitative about your ground conditions ? For example, "irrigated soil", "rocky hilltop", "sand", etc.

You are doing something right - Huge signal on topband, and you also hear very well.

73,
Steve, N2IC

On 09/20/2013 06:31 AM, Eduardo Araujo wrote:
Hi friends,
                 I finished sending the measurements data to all that requested it. 
In case somebody didn´t receive it yet, please let me know.

Even though I did not mention it before, I also have Field Strength measurement 
synchronized in time with the AIM measurements.

As surely this was not a professional procedure, I will explain how I did it 
and you may judge if it is useful for you or not.

- I installed 2 verticals antennas 3 mts long, at about 300-350 meters from the 
tower base in two opposite directions. So measurement was done at ground level.
- I did not tuned up the elements in any way, they were connected to the FS 
instrument directly and as ground connection I used a 50 cm aluminum pipe 
buried in the ground

- As a FS meter I used a DIGI - FIELD from IC- Engineering

- First 2 radials were installed more or less in the direction of the RX 
verticals
- From there, they were installed consecutive in counter-clock wise. (look from 
above)
- I used 20W at 1840 during daylight, and matched the antenna input for every 
change in radial number. I used an MFJ-962B for this purpose.
- After all readings were done, I calibrate the readings against an HP-8640B 
signal to visualize which was the change in db

Botton line - the measured change at ground level between 2 and 114 radials was 
between 5.2 in one direction and 5.8 db to the other.

I understand this is not a professional procedure nor professional equipment 
and it was done having fun enjoying the hobby.

I will like to hear from you your thought about if this kind of measurement 
done at ground level and at that distance from the antenna base has a 
correlation to actual radiated Field at the maximum vertical azimuth of the 
vertical whichever it is.
And, also, How the procedure or elements I used could be improved ....still 
within amateur measurement accuracy and not professional level.


'73 to all..... Eddie, LU2DKT





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From: Eduardo Araujo<er_araujo@yahoo.com>

To: Topband<topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:28 AM
Subject: Measuring Vertical input parameters while installing radials



Hi everyone, I recently complete the installation of +100 1/4 radials for the 
1/4 vertical.

I measured input vertical parameters using AIM4170 from 1600 to 2000Kc

I assumed it is not something new for many of you, but I wonder if the 
information I collected may be of interest for some of the group members.

I have available for sharing BMP or JPG images of each scan which were run at 2, 4, 
8, 16, 32, 60 and +110 radials. Also, I have the .scn files for each scan which 
could be viewed using AIM4170 SW even though you don´t have the unit.


The good thing looking at the files using the sw is that you can move the 
cursor and have all the values at all fcies from 1600-2000 Kc

In case someone is interested, let me know and I will see the way to share it.

´73 to everyone.... Eddie, LU2DKT

PS: By the way, what a nice toy the AIM !!!, Even though I bought it more than 
one year ago, this is the first time I use it
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