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Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?

To: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?
From: "ZR" <zr@jeremy.mv.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:26:55 -0400
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There is a major difference between a resonant antenna and a one wire 
transmission line whose sole purpose in life is to be unbalanced in respect 
to ground.

Trying to compare them doesnt work well and neither does modelling these 
types of grounds unless you work for the government and have access to 
software that has been especially developed for such things. It is clear 
that there are still a lot of assumptions being made with questionable 
conclusions. This is often followed by statements that it is to be taken as 
gospel by everyone. Internet sites are full of that stuff since these 
"assumptions" ignore the huge variability of Mother Earth.

A resonant antenna on or very close to the ground is strongly affected by 
different conductivity conditions beneath it even if just in small areas. A 
BOG is not affected since it doesnt require or even want resonance to work 
and a portion of ground that is only a fraction of a wavelength is 
meaningless at 160M.

A BOG 's impedance can be anywhere from 200 to well under 50 Ohms depending 
upon the RF ground conductivity. A 269B, a mutitap matching transformer, and 
variable carbon pot for a termination can be used and having a helper is a 
good addition.

Dont be surprised if the transformer turns out to be a 1:1 or even 2:1 with 
the feedline being the higher number if you have well above average ground.

A BOG will have a naturally high F/B since the losses smooth out the VSWR 
ripple making a perfect transformer and termination match a bit less 
critical.  A BOG is also more sensitive to common mode feedline currents and 
requires those extra steps to eliminate it.

Since an elevated 2 wave length Beverage still has a high VF even over 
average ground it holds that a 1 wave BOG hasnt reached its reversal point 
yet. At a prior QTH here in town I found a 1500' Beverage 10' high to be 
excellent and at 2100' it was useless. Ive done a lot of walking over the 
30+ years Ive been using Beverages.

Finding the maximum useable length should be done after a rain storm as that 
will be the point of lowest VF. Or simply start at 500' or so and chop off 
50' at a time if it has already flipped. Conversely keep adding if you want 
to get the benefit of length. Use a 4' ground rod and a couple of 30' 
radials at the far end to establish a half a**ed ground since that part isnt 
critical yet and simply move it as needed.

Carl
KM1H




----- Original Message ----- 
From: Guy Olinger K2AV
To: ZR
Cc: Pete Smith N4ZR ; topband@contesting.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: How Good is Good Enough?


I dont know if Id trust trying to use a resonant dipole on the ground to
determine the VF of a non resonant wire. In any case keep the VF at about .6
or higher when determining the maximum length of the BOG, Slinky, or any
other Beverge form.


Carl
KM1H



It was clear there was a lot of guessing and assumptions in the world of 
BOG.  So we decided to investigate.


We MEASURED a lot of wire on ground VF a couple of years ago in and around 
Raleigh.  Not speculated, or guessed.  MEASURED.  Fellers went out here and 
there and spread out 151' DOGS, and reported resonance, plus X and R 
readings for resonance and +/- 50 kHz.  The 151' was chosen to have a simple 
(46m) metric equivalent and a resonance up where the MFJ's could see it and 
roughly in the 160 meter band or above.


They were measuring anywhere between .45 and .8 VF. Sometimes, nearly that 
variation in the same back yard just by reorienting the wire. In an 
individual case you could get a lot of variation by NOT getting the BOG down 
to the dirt.


In plugging that kind of variation into BOG models, that was such a drastic 
effect on pattern and performance, that if you didn't begin with a VF 
measurement in your exacted intended spot for the bog, you were just 
throwing away front to back, or in some cases, reversing the pattern.


Finally settled on what ever length for the BOG was gotten by 1) getting the 
wire right down on the dirt as you were going to leave and use it, and 2) 
pruning the DOG to 1140 kHz, and then reconnecting the wire in place to use 
as a BOG.  There was also a formula for computing the length from the 151' 
DOG resonance, so people could use the MFJ meters (they don't read down that 
far in the BC band).  The problem with that was that the 151 feet did not 
cover the entire BOG length, and you were ASSUMING that the remaining 
seventy or whatever feet was over the same kind of stuff as the 151.


If the VF happens to be one of the 0.45 jobs and you use 500 feet, you can 
actually get a pattern reversal.  That's a pretty huge variable to leave in 
the unknown.


I spent some time digging up BOG tales.  They were all over the place as to 
whether they worked or not.  There was also a notable occurrence of assuming 
that regular beverage dimensions worked for BOGs, and that long BOGs would 
always work better than short BOGs.  There was also a clear majority of 
reporting failure and abandoning the concept.


The length you get with the 1140 kHz DOG trick was the *ONLY* length I was 
ever able to get to work in a BOG model that had a satisfactory pattern. 
Never able to get 500 feet to model anything with the possible max front to 
back.  I am left having to assume that folks using those are simply using 
the BOG's ability to reject nearby noise and hear the skywave, which is 
there regardless of the length unless the pattern has reversed.  That could 
be very useful in a given situation.  But that property also applies to 
shortie BOGs as well.


If a northeast BOG is done right, from our NC part of the country, an S9 
station from Arkansas or Texas SHOULD be knocked way down, indicating 
significant front to back, and also killing a lot of QRN that comes from 
that direction.


I have also found the BOG's local rejection quality to be severely 
compromised by close elevated conductors and particularly by resonant 
overhead conductors, fence wires, above ground power wires, ladderline feeds 
to other antennas.  BTDT.  Talking about 20 dB difference in rejection of 
back side power buzzes, by removing the overhead.  I was able to get one of 
those situations to model out and the fix tracked the model.


73, Guy.







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