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Subject: Topband: Low Alpha Delta DX-A twin sloper BEST antenna here - how can that be?
From: "Mike & Coreen Smith" <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca>
Reply-to: Mike & Coreen Smith <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:44:27 -0400
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Sorry for the long and rambling post. . . .

OK gang, I know antennas "fairly" well, but this has me stumped...really 
REALLY stumped. I've beat myself up over this for 2 yrs. straight.  I just 
can't get it.  I am (almost) ready to rip everything down and start from 
scratch)

I posed a ~similar~ question last year and have tried some different things, 
but I'm losing my patience with the wire here (hi)

BACKGROUND:
At my old QTH, I ran an inverted L...5/16thWL and fed with a 800pF cap in 
series.  A dozen to two dozen 1/4wl radials(depending on how many got broken 
in the summer)over soggy ground.  It meandered up 50-ish or so feet with the 
remaining 117' up/down/over/under trees --even the tip sloped back towards 
the ground 20' or more.....and it ROCKED....I mean, I wasn't any VE1ZZ or 
anything but I felt I was upper middle crust of the W1/VE1 pileup.  I also 
had the exact same tower and exact same Alpha Delta DX-A twin sloper up (for 
reference) and it s*cked...really bad.  Easily several S units below 
anything else on 40-80-160m

NOWADAYS:
Fast forward to new QTH...same 48' DElhi self supporting tower set in 
concrete....same 2 long 6m yagis on tower (48/64')....same lil' sloper 
mounted @ 24' off side of tower....
I have tried 2 iterations of a plain inverted L.....currently it's a "T" 
antenna. Sloping 55' or so up and 2 T's @ 55' or so each sloping @ aprox 45º 
to the ground....loads nicely with a few uH @ the base.  Seems quieter than 
the A-D twin.
I have tried shunt -and- series feeding my 48' tower (no problem to do). 
They have all loaded well and I got a good SWR match with a usually narrow 
window 50Kcs maybe of 2.1:1 SWR of which to operate in.  I have 25 or so 
1/8wl to 1/4wl radials - 1" below the grass.  Ground is rocky shale? sort of 
stuff.  My QTH is on a nice high ridge and I do quite well on VHF and other 
HF bands.

My signal is pitiful on **all** the 160m antennas I've tried....with the 
exception of the 1/4WL Dx-A twin sloper @ 24' !!! (it's best but it barely 
works)

The little/low twin sloper off the side of the towe is ALWAYS the loudest on 
the band....by usually 6dB or more........I know this can't be right.

How can this be?  I am using a 4-1 antenna switchbox (Ameritron I think) @ 
the base of the tower which the antennas all share.  Many years back I 
modified it so all antennas "floated" (instead of being grounded) when not 
selected as I was using this as a K8UR sloper system switchbox at one time. 
I am pretty sure (but not 100%) that I even ran a separate chunk of coax 
right out to an inverted L last fall in desperation.  I do lots of antenna 
experimenting, so it's sometimes hard to remember the 45th iteration of a 
trial I had a couple years ago, hi.

I *DO* notice significant SWR curve changes on the lil' wee sloper if I make 
any mods to any of the other "REAL" 160m antennas.

I either have interactions in the switchbox, or proximity between antennas 
or something that I am totally missing.  All 160m antennas are quite close 
(less than 20-30' away).

Logic tells me there is no way in heck the very low Alpha-Delta DX-A twin 
sloper can __always__ be the best antenna to transmit and receive on.  YET 
is is !!?  From what I see on the cluster, web and hear on the air, I can 
hear quite well, but DX stations normally have to be 559-579 before I even 
get a QRZ.....I am currently running ~750W.........

I'm cracking up.....too much listening to QRN.......sorry for the long post.

Thanks for any insight.  I am ready to put a Webster Bandspanner on my 
mobile and go sit out in the yard and DX.
<hi>

VE9AA Mike

Mike, Coreen & Corey Smith
699 Rte 616 Keswick Ridge
NB
Canada
E6L 1T1 
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