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Re: [TenTec] Orion problems

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion problems
From: denton sprague <denton@oregontrail.net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:35:09 -0700
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pull the speaker and put an exhaust fan on the top of the case where the 
speaker normally is.

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Jeff (W4DD) <w4dd09@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It is heat sensitive.  Try freeze mist.
> 
> On Sep 26, 2017 4:45 PM, "Steve" <sswhite@mchsi.com> wrote:
> 
>> OK, luck ran out.  No more receive for some reason.  I had it running and
>> came in from the shop all happy and proud and when I went back out about
>> 45 minutes later it had stopped receiving and I have not made it receive
>> since.  BUT, I did find a guy who has a spare Logic board that he is
>> sending me.  It is in unknown condition so it may be no better....
>> 
>> Steve  NU0P
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry
>> N1EU
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:44 PM
>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion problems
>> 
>> Sounds good, continued luck Steve!
>> 
>> Barry N1EU
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Steve <sswhite@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Some progress...It receives now!!!!   You ask what did I do....
>>> 
>>> 1. Resoldered the CPLD and DSP chips.
>>> 2 Carefully cleaned the flux off of them and closely inspected them
>>> with eye loop, found little hair like things across several leads and
>>> also on the mutipin connectors.
>>> 3. At first this made no difference using real old ver 1 software that
>>> I had installed yesterday 4.  Loaded up the latest Ver3 software and
>>> could see that it loaded correctly and I had DSP software loaded
>>> correctly  ( big step forward) but still no audio or reception.
>>> 5. Followed very closely to the letter the re boot procedure and it
>>> worked!!  Had audio and could hear stuff on 20M ssb but still a few
>>> issues.
>>> 6 Reloaded the software again and careful to follow the reboot and it
>>> worked.
>>> 7 Went to button up the front panel to the case and it quit working????
>>> Darn
>>> 8 . Tried restart/reboot and now the front panel is attached to the
>>> case and radio working on Rx anyway...
>>> 
>>> So I will let it cook for awhile and see what give.  I am not a fan of
>>> all the connectors in this radio and not sure they area all seating
>>> correctly...Connectors like this are bad and easily lead to
>>> funkyfailures.
>>> 
>>> Will let you guys know of anything else  I am going to get a new
>>> battery just in case the one I have is weak although it checks good..
>>> 
>>> Steve NU0P  Fingers crossed
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry
>>> N1EU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:56 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion problems
>>> 
>>> FWIW, the Orion seems more prone to strange internal connectivity
>>> failures of one sort or another than the Orion II.
>>> 
>>> Barry N1EU
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Barry N1EU <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This issue reminds me of a conversation on the Yahoo Groups Orion
>>>> group back on Feb. 16, 2014 called "Boot Failure on Orion 1",
>>>> initiated by
>>>> WB2NMI:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/orion565/conversations/
>>>> topics/9941
>>>> 
>>>> I think the jist of it was intermittent logic board connections and
>>>> the PCB needed some resoldering and he enlisted the help of Arek
>> AC2FC.
>>>> 
>>>> Barry N1EU
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Steve <sswhite@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> One thing to remember is that I get  no audio at all out.  I can
>>>>> turn up both main and sub rx's gain and still get no audio.  On my
>>>>> Omni II I can disconnect the antenna and turn the audio and hear at
>>>>> least rushing noise.  There is a clue here I bet. Back to the
>> radio...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:12 AM
>>>>> To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment' <tentec@contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion problems
>>>>> 
>>>>> Voltages are good at the A( board but I will scope them this
>> morning.
>>> 
>>>>> It has been recapped.  I checked the input to the Logic card of the
>>>>> both the main and sub receivers and can see them when I apply a
>>>>> 14.250 Mhz signal to the input.  However, the Sub Rx input level is
>>>>> quite a bit higher than the main Rx input level.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I too am trying to find the signal path thru the logic board to
>>>>> find out why the boot sequence will not see the V2 mod.  The V2 Mod
>>>>> is one wire and two cuts.  I have checked it and the mod is there
>>>>> and
>>> correct.  .
>>>>> Probably should follow the signal path from the mod to the DSP's.
>>>>> The previous owner told me he woke up one morning and the radio
>>>>> would no longer work...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve NU0P
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> (W4DD)
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:53 AM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion problems
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would start by confirming voltages on the A9 board.  Also scope
>>> them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then confirm they are getting to the dsp's.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I recall, the v2 mod is a single strap, but don't recall the
>>> details.
>>>>> I would focus on why the cpu can't read the strap.  I'll try take a
>>>>> look at the schematic tonight.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure if anyone has ever pubished the boot sequence but that
>>>>> would be handy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017 11:57 PM, "Steve" <sswhite@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The A9 board has been updated.  Since there is output from the rcvr
>>>>> to the Logic board and no audio out of any kind it makes me wonder
>>>>> about the DSP and CODECS on that board.  I went and loaded Ver 1
>>>>> software but that made no difference either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:15 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>; Steve
>>>>> <sswhite@mchsi.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion problems
>>>>> 
>>>>> Den 25-09-2017 kl. 22:31 skrev Steve:
>>>>>> Orion 1..Battery is good too...I wonder if I can put a 14 Khz
>>>>>> unmodulated signal into the DSP input  (J20) and find out if the
>>>>>> whole DSP chain is working..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>> Has anybody suggested checking out the A9 board? Any of a whole box
>>>>> of Gremlins can emerge from troubles there. When mine (O2) started
>>>>> acting erratically I updated the thre 470uF electrolics to lower
>>>>> ESR/higher temp ones, and all my troubles went away, many other
>>>>> similar experiences has been related here over time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Vy 73 de OZ1PIF/5Q2M, Peter
>>>>> 
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