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Re: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle
From: Bwana Bob <wb2vuf@verizon.net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:12:19 -0500
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I thought that the IC-7300 receiver was getting decidedly mixed reviews. I'm not keen on a touch-screen implementation. Interestingly, the IC-7200 is back in production. I like the MIL-SPEC look of it, but no doubt it's a matter of personal preference. The Eagle looks nice, too and I'm sure that the Eagle or the Argonaut VI would be the best way to restart Ten-Tec production. I have not operated any of these rigs, but I'm willing to bet that the Eagle has a better receiver than the IC-7300.

73,

Bob WB2VUF

On 2/19/2017 4:58 PM, rick@dj0ip.de wrote:
Indeed it has.

I had the actual figures about 2 months ago (still do, somewhere).
If I remember correctly, they must be up to 8 to 10 thousand units by now.

Hard to fight the economies of scale when the competitor has that going for
her.

YOU GUYS have missed the point.
You are speculating about a future redesigned product, which takes time.
In order to get there, A&T-T need to be producing product right now.

Mike has invested in all sorts of machinery and once again returned the two
companies to be in a position of producing their own radios... Made in USA.
It is not a good idea to let the machines sit idle while they are designing
a new product.

The OM7 could possibly be resurrected without too much work.
The O2 would need a lot of re-design.
The Eagle is ready to go right now.

I go along with Terry for the follow-up product, but at the moment time is
of the essence.

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)



-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Moreschi
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:19 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

In 17 years of selling my software, I have never seen such a strong response
on a new radio as the Icom 7300.  It must be breaking all kinds of sales
records.

Carl Moreschi N4PY
58 Hogwood Rd
Louisburg, NC 27549
www.n4py.com

On 2/19/2017 4:01 PM, terry foskey via TenTec wrote:
Panadapter scope on front, same menu system as Orion/Omni VII.  Outputs
for TV monitor.   Similar to display on my ICOM 7800.  That would something
worth owning.

        From: terry foskey<n5tf@yahoo.com>
   To: Ron Notarius W3WN<wn3vaw@verizon.net>; 'Discussion of Ten-Tec
Equipment'<tentec@contesting.com>
   Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

You will never sell eagles at the proposed price point.  I was not
proposing an OMNI VII only the form factor ie user interface of a box
similar in size or between the Orion and the Omni VII.  What i propose uses
the Eagle receiver and perhaps transmit sections but in a different package.

        From: Ron Notarius W3WN<wn3vaw@verizon.net>
   To: 'terry foskey'<n5tf@yahoo.com>; 'Discussion of Ten-Tec
Equipment'<tentec@contesting.com>
   Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:48 PM
   Subject: RE: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

Terry,

I would respectfully disagree with you in part.

Considering that the Omni VII is the older of the two designs, it
makes sense to bring back the Eagle first.  Less chance of parts
suddenly becoming unobtanium, one of the hottest receivers on the
market at the time (remember the upgrade to the Orion/Orion II second
receiver was the Eagle receiver design, as I recall), and a relatively
compact design.
If were Mike to ask for my input, which he has not, my only quibble
would be to make the "bare bones" Eagles all with the antenna tuner.
You can achieve a bit of an economy of scale that way, and it would be
a good selling point when compared to the imported rigs for less money
that come an AT installed.
Now, with that said...

I would agree that, if I were asked, which I have not, that the first
"new"
rig would logically be an updated Omni VII.  Take the Eagle design,
bring it up to date with technology from the last few years, possibly
add either a second receiver or the capability to add one later (a
simple add-in board, perhaps).  Use the larger rig form factor of an
Omni VII or an Orion for the purpose of ergonomics (I've used a K3,
and I really dislike the small knobs and the relatively crowded front
panel... But I don't wan an all menu driven rig, either).

Once that's done, if I were asked, which I have not, I'd then suggest
updating the Eagle.  So the two primary HF rigs would be the 'updated'
Eagle and the 'updated' Omni VII, whatever names/numbers end up being
hung on them.

Oh, and I would also (if asked) suggest bringing the Rebel&  Patriot
back sooner than later, and yes, I know that the old CPU is out of
production and this would require a small redesign.  They were selling
quite well for a while, and it looked as though they were a big hit
with those interested in Open Source and similar 'mod' projects.  Both
were essentially single board rigs, as I recall, with a simple case.
Should be easy to put back in production (oh, sure) compared to the other
rigs.
...and if at all possible, I'd hope Mike can have rigs with him at
Hamvention (I guess we can't call it Dayton anymore, can we?  Xenia
Hamvention just doesn't have the ring to it though).  I think it would
be a huge postitive PR step to not just SAY that the gear is back in
production, but to SHOW them, and display them ready for sale NOW.  If
Mike were to ask my opinion, that is, which he has not.

Back to the contest!

73. ron w3wn

-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of terry
foskey via TenTec
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:58 AM
To: TenTec@contesting.com
Cc: terry foskey
Subject: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

I personally believe the Eagle is the wrong product to hang a radio
restart on.  Piggy back on the OMNI VII and Orion 2. Take a form
factor somewhere near the Omni VII box, slap two eagle receivers in
it, nice pad adapter screen  with an output for a larger screen, IF
Out and you could compete with elecraft and others.  The user
interface alone on the Tentec will run circles around the Elecraft.
Perhaps Im wrong but I don't believe the Eagle has the demand.
N5TFTerry
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