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To: wb5jnc@centurytel.net, tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Post to the Amps Reflector from Dishtronix
From: Joe Papworth via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:35:49 -0400
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I think it's called Summit Racing. Their stock of "car stuff" is very  
impressive. If I was still into hot rodding, I'd be spending $$$ there on more  
than just radios..
 
 
In a message dated 9/22/2016 2:32:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
wb5jnc@centurytel.net writes:

Slightly  OT but there is also a motorsports-oriented company owned and 
operated by  the same folks as DXE. Same "above and beyond" customer 
service 
from them  also. (If you're curious who it is look at a DXE catalog and 
you'll 
find  items like gloves with their logo.)

73, Al

On Thu September 22  2016 1:20:07 pm Joe Papworth via TenTec wrote:
> I don't have a dog in  the fight but I have to tell you guys this
> unbelievable story. I wrote  it for our club's newsletter. I hope the
> formatting doesn't get  discombobulated too badly.
>
>
> Words To Shop  By:
>
> Going Above and Beyond the Call of  Business…
>
> Some tales are so strange, they just couldn't be  made up, like the one 
I'm
> about to tell you:
>
> Some of  you may remember that I bought ERD-Bob’s Pixel mag-loop receiving
>  antenna not too long ago. Within a few days I had it installed and
>  operational.
>
> Apparently my expectations were too high. I  thought the loop would hear
> things I couldn't hear before and be able  to eliminate all kinds of
> man-made electrical noise. You know, work  miracles.
>
> When it didn't, I posed questions to the guys who  had posted reviews on
> eHam about the antenna. The guys came back with  some good suggestions but
> none of them turned up anything. It was  looking like “this is as good as
> it’s gonna  get.” A call to  Pixel netted nothing except to find out they
> were no longer   carrying the product.
>
> Then I received an email from Mr. Mark  Ludwick at DX Engineering. He had
> seen my post on eHam. He explained  that DXE now all owns all the rights 
to
> the  antenna. Mark  offered to fully test the antenna and make any repairs
> needed,  FOR  FREE !!!! All I had to do was ship him the antenna.
>
>  I thanked him for such a generous offer but told him the antenna was
>  purchased used and was now two years old. In fact, it wasn't even  
purchased
> from DX Engineering.
> Mark said "I stand by my  offer!"
>
> Well, who was I to stand in the way of a deal like  that? And it just so
> happened that Linda and I would be in the Akron  area within a few days, 
so
> I told Mark I'd just drop it  off.
>
> It gets even better...
> When we arrived at the  store, they told me that  instead of testing the
> antenna, they  were just going to give me a brand,  spankin' new one.
> Remember,  this was an out-of-warranty item, bought from a  different
>  company, and I wasn't the original buyer. Have you ever heard of such   a
> thing? I'm sure those guys will hate me for telling this story  because 
> everyone is going to want that same deal.
>
> By  the way, this wasn't my first amazing experience with those guys. Some
>  years ago I bought a mobile mount from them. It was a big two-inch  ball
> mount,  perfect for my Hustler HF antenna. When I installed  it, I was
> dismayed to find  how cheaply it was made. “This will  never hold up”, I
> said to myself. And it  didn't.
>
>  I called the manufacturer and told them it was junk and that I wanted  my
> money back. “Oh, we can't do that, but we'll be glad to send you a  new
> replacement.”
> “Why in the world would I want the same  piece of junk?” I  asked. I told
> them “No thanks”, and hung up.  On a whim, I called DXE and they  took it
> back, no questions  asked. I was amazed.
>
> Here’s a better one: I bought four 811A’s  from them a while back. I put
> them in my amp and ran them hard in a  weekend contest. They did fine, for
> that  one weekend! The  following Monday they started arcing internally. 
The
> plates had   warped. To make things worse, I broke one of them removing it
> from  the  amp.
>
> I remembered my good experience with the mobile  mount and called DXE to
> plead for mercy. They said to just send ‘em  back for a full refund. My
> reply was  that I could only return  three because I had broken one. The 
guy
> said it was no  big deal  and they took that one back too!!!!
>
> By the way, the new loop  behaved just like the used one. It really was “
as
> good as it  gets.”
>
> And finally, if I hear of anyone buying anything from  anyone other than 
DX
> Engineering, you will get a visit from my pals  Guido and Knuckles.
>
> Like DXE, they will make you an offer you  can't refuse.
>
> Joe,  K8MP
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message  dated 9/22/2016 1:56:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> wn3vaw@verizon.net  writes:
>
> Thanks  Steve.
>
> Without going into  the gritty details (to, paraphrasing Dragnet,  protect
> the  guilty)... quite a few years ago, I heard a tale of woe regarding  a 
 TT
> amplifier on a DX related reflector. As the story seemed  incredible, and
> unlike the TT service I knew of, I contacted Scott  W4PA (obviously this
> happened long before he bought Vibroplex).  Suffice to say that the other
> side  of the story was quite a bit  different, and it all boiled down to
> someone wanting something he  wasn't entitled to, on someone else's dime.
>
>
> I   even found an individual who was willing to look at the amp and see  
what
> he  could do, at no charge save for parts. But that wasn't  good enough 
for
> the ham  in question. And then I got a few less  than friendly emails from
> the  perpetrator, implying I hadn't  done enough.
>
>
> Here I thought, prior  to this  incident, that I'd see the heights, or
> depths, that someone's  chutzpah  could go to. I was wrong.
>
>
> 73, ron  w3wn
>
>
> On 09/22/16,  steve jobes via TenTec  wrote:
>
> Well said Ron, I  agree!
>
>  73,
> Steve  W1DXH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original  Message-----
> From: Ron Notarius W3WN  <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
> To:  tentec  <tentec@contesting.com>; k9yc <k9yc@arrl.net>
> Sent:  Wed,  Sep 21, 2016 1:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Post to the Amps  Reflector from  Dishtronix
>
> Ralph,
>
>
>  The reality is that there are people in  this world today who expect  or
> demand things that they are not entitled  to.
>
>
> One of those things being warranty support for  items out of  warranty, or
> 'free' repairs from someone who is not  legally liable to provide  them. 
( I
> could tell you more than a  few stories from the time between IT jobs  
that
> I worked at  several big box hardware stores, but I'd be digressing   )
>
>
> That these are a small percentage of the population  (and by  extension, a
> small percentage of the Amateur Radio  licensees) does not make  them any
> less annoying. To put it  bluntly.
>
>
> Sadly, yes, there are  people upset with  Mike over things that he had
> nothing to do with. Including  but  not limited to warranty or even
> non-warranty repair issues for  items  bought under previous owners of Ten
> Tec and/or Alpha. They  don't care the  minutiae of what he bought (or
> didn't buy) or  when. To them, he is Ten Tec  and/or Alpha, therefore, 
it's
> his  problem.
>
>
> Yes, some people have a  lot of  chutzpah.
>
>
> To his credit, Mike appears to have a good  handle  on the issue. (My
> response to that person would have been  shorter, blunter,  and probably
> more than a touch  profane.)
>
>
> I think the companies are  in good  hands right now. And I'm looking 
forward
> to the (re)introduction  of  new gear, hopefully in the very near future
> (and I hope it is  October as has  been previously indicated, but better
> that it be  done right than done too  soon)
>
>
> 73, ron  w3wn
>
>
> On 09/21/16, Ralph Arnold   wrote:
>
> Hi Jim this is KD8BTQ-Ralph I have been a TenTec fan  for years  being a 
red
> neck Electronics Tech retired USN anyway I  too do not approve  of jumping
> on Mike like that. I see Mike  Dishop as a good guy trying to  fill some
> really big shoes. I'm  an old school ET Navy trained to component  level
> repair. To  repair that amp that you didn't make with defective 3rd  world
>  parts is a bit much to ask for and then complain when you come  through  
and
> fix it. Some people have more nerve that common horse sense.  Oh  well 
I've
> already said to much But I just had to say  something 73  KD8BTQ
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Jim  Brown  <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
>
> wrote:
>  > Members of this  reflector will almost certainly appreciate this  post 
to
> > the Amps  reflector from Dishtronix, the company  that bought RKR. The
>
> third
>
> >   paragraph is particularly interesting. The complaint is about service 
 on
>
>  an
>
> > Alpha 9500.
>  >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> >
> > = = = = =   =
> >
> > Hello Jim,
> >
> > In reading  this it appears rather  negative to me, which I don't quite
> >  understand. Regardless of the 95  days, you do realize that was RKR  
who
>
> you
>
> > had the problem with? I  have  more people working there than RKR had!
> >
> >  The long and the short  of it was this - you called me with your  
problem
> > and in less than a  calander week you got your amp  back. I didn't sell
> > you the amp, and I  am not liable for  any of RF Concepts or RKR 
warranty
> > work
>
>  by
>
> > the terms  of the sale, yet I gave you two free  hours of work - AFTER 
you
> > were so  mean on the telephone to  Carol that you made her cry!
> >
> > You are  right -  the new Alpha is not the Alpha you knew. The Alpha you
> > knew   was bought by a corporate raider who didn't pay his suppliers and
>  >  alienated the entire supply chain for Alpha and Ten Tec, who built  
> > every possible unit he could build and sold for a cut rate  price, 
> > reducing
>
> prices
>
> >  constantly until everything was gone, liquidated every  piece of
>  > equipment he could, and then moved on to do something else   leaving
> > everyone holding the bag.
> >
> > The  new management  is putting capitol into the business,  paying
>
> suppliers,
>
> > paying  employees  and attempting to regenerate the brand. We bought the
> >   business with the express intention of finishing the tuner. When  the
>
> tuner
>
> > is finished it will be even  better that it would have been  because I
> > personally am  supervising the engineering and I'm not known  for
> >  compromising or ever saying "That is good enough", because good is   
not
>
> good
>
> > enough when you intend to be  great.
> >
> > I'm not  responsible for what others  did. I'm responsible for what I  
do.
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >  -----Original  Message-----
> > From: Arthur Movius  [mailto:ajmovius@gmail.com]
> >  Sent: Saturday, September 17,  2016 11:24 AM
> > To:amps@contesting.com;  Dave  Movius<dave.movius@gmail.com>; Alpha
>
>  Service<
>
> >  alphaamps1@gmail.com>; Steven  M.  Dishop<Steven.Dishop@Dishtronix.com>
> > Subject: Re:  [Amps] FW:  alpha 9500
> >
> > Hello Steve,
>  >
> > For what it may be  worth, here's a brief summary of my  recent
> > experience. Your inquiry is  timely.
>  >
> > Yesterday, Sept. 16, 2016 I received an email from   Alpha RF Systems, 
LLC
> > that my 9500 delivered to Longmont, CO on  June  10 for warranty repair
> > (RA 11050) of a failed band  pot, plus any  upgrades, was completed. I
> > called owner Mike  Dishop of Dishtronix  Tuesday Sept. 13, explained 
that
> > my  amp
>
> had
>
> > been at Alpha for 95 days,   and had a nice 20 minute conversation with
>
>  him.
>
> > He said that he has  been involved with Alpha a  short time and that he
>
> would
>
> > follow   up.
> >
> > The bill shows 2 hours warranty time and 3  hours  non-warranty time at
> > $120.00 / hour for a total bill  of $512.50  including $105.00 shipping
>
>  cost
>
> > via Fed Ex Home Delivery back to MT.  The bill  also shows a $35.00 
charge
> > for a Hall Effect sensor to   replace the failed band pot--the reason 
for
>
>  the
>
> > warranty  repair.
> >
> >  Other work: re-calibration of band positions,  installation of a  fuse
> > in the cathode 40v circuit, update of all  firmware (5  
microprocessors),
> > tested amp on all bands, checked tuning   and output. The amp and tube
> > condition were reported as   good.
> >
> > Conclusion: at the present time Alpha is  "under  resourced" regarding
> > repairs. I had asked whether  billed work gets  priority over warranty
> > work and was told  by Carol who answers calls  that repairs are done in
> >  the
>
> order
>
> > received. Glenn Pladsen their  one  full time tech says he has only part
> > time help.
>  >
> > There  are others who repair Alpha reputed to be  competent, so you have
> > other  options to investigate besides  the manufacturer.
> >
> > Bottom line,  which I will  think about--no hasty decision--is that I 
will
> > pack up  the  transformer and sell this amp when it returns without
> > opening  the  factory carton. Good service after the sale is important 
and
>  > strongly affects purchase decisions, and here, no criticism of  Alpha
> > employees intended, Alpha disappoints--this is not the  Alpha I knew 
when
> > the amp
>
> was
>
>  > purchased in 2013. Also, my order for the Dream Tuner placed Feb.   
2013
> > might soon be cancelled. There is reason to doubt whether  this  good 
idea
> > will ever make it to market. As mentioned to  Mike Dishop,  the Alpha
> > brand will suffer damage if he does  not take corrective  action soon.
> > Reviews of the Prometheus  solid state HF amp give  Dishtronix high 
praise
> > for a good  product and good service after the  sale.
> >
> > GL  Steve es 73,
> >
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