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Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur)

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur)
From: Joe Papworth via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com>
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:01:07 -0500
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 We knew what you meant Kris...


-----Original Message-----
From: km2km &lt;km2km@twc.com&gt;
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment &lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt;
Cc: Tony Lelieveld &lt;va3dwi@gmail.com&gt;
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2016 9:52 am
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur)

 
 
 
Yes,  sorry for the error.  One tube at a time.  (hand full of fuses :&gt;) 
Kris KM2KM  
MERSCHROD 
123 Warren Road 
Ithaca, NY 14850 
 
---- Tony Lelieveld &lt;va3dwi@gmail.com&gt; wrote:  
 
============= 
Kris, 
When you said "Test one fuse at a time", I presume you meant Tube? 
73, VE3DWI. 
 
----- Original Message -----  
From: &lt;km2km@twc.com&gt; 
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" &lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt; 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur) 
 
 
&gt; I'm late chiming in.   My problem with the fuses has always been a shorted 
 
&gt; tube.  You are on the right track.   Test one fuse at a time, or start  
&gt; with one, add another, then the third.  BTW a matched set is better than  
&gt; an unmatched set HOWEVER,  I had three misc tubes gathered over the years  
&gt; and put them in and do pretty well with them.  I did that while waiting  
&gt; for a new matched set.  Now the matched set is on the shelf waiting their  
&gt; turn!!! 
&gt; 
&gt; The guy at the local electronics store said to me one day when I bought a  
&gt; dozen fuses, "You do know that if you don't fix it then it will still blow 
 
&gt; fuses!" 
&gt; 
&gt; good luck, 
&gt; 
&gt; Kris 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Kris KM2KM 
&gt; MERSCHROD 
&gt; 123 Warren Road 
&gt; Ithaca, NY 14850 
&gt; 
&gt; ---- Joe Papworth via TenTec &lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt; wrote: 
&gt; 
&gt; ============= 
&gt; It has stayed on with the tubes removed for a while.? 
&gt; I'm examining/ohming the tubes now. 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message----- 
&gt; From: Carl Moreschi &lt;n4py3@earthlink.net&gt; 
&gt; To: wb5jnc &lt;wb5jnc@centurytel.net&gt;; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment  
&gt; &lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt; 
&gt; Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2016 3:03 pm 
&gt; Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur) 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; Don't overlook the possibility on an intermittent short in one of the  
&gt; 811's. 
&gt; 
&gt; Carl Moreschi N4PY 
&gt; 58 Hogwood Rd 
&gt; Louisburg, NC 27549 
&gt; www.n4py.com 
&gt; 
&gt; On 1/26/2016 2:54 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: 
&gt;&gt; Joe, 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Just an ohms check may not be enough. You may be dealing with an  
&gt;&gt; intermittent 
&gt;&gt; breakdown under high voltage. A "hi-pot" (high potential) test with an 
&gt;&gt; insulation tester etc. would be the only way to know for sure. A 
winding 
&gt;&gt; layer to adjacent layer partial short in the HV side could also 
account  
&gt;&gt; for 
&gt;&gt; your symptoms, and might not be obvious because the winding resistance 
 
&gt;&gt; could 
&gt;&gt; show right at the low edge of the manufacturer's spec. (I went through 
 
&gt;&gt; that 
&gt;&gt; scenario years ago with a HV filter choke in a small AM BC 
transmitter.) 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; 73 es GL, Al 
&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt; On Tue January 26 2016 11:28:03 am Joe Papworth via TenTec wrote: 
&gt;&gt;&gt;     Thanks Andy. Was it the HV secondary that shorted? 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;    I isolated the HV secondary from the HV board and it reads open 
to  
&gt;&gt;&gt; the 
&gt;&gt;&gt; frame and chassis. (Reads about 45 ohms when connected to the 
board) 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;    Thanks, Joe, K8MP 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   -----Original Message-----  
&gt;&gt;&gt;   From: P C Andy Anderson&lt;xtraham58@hotmail.com&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment&lt;tentec@contesting.com&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2016 11:52 am 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 411 amp (aka Centaur) 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Joe, I had a similar problem with my Centurion AMP.  It 
eventually  
&gt;&gt;&gt; failed 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   completely. The secondary of the power transformer shorted to 
the  
&gt;&gt;&gt; frame. I 
&gt;&gt;&gt; had the Xformer rewound at TRS.  BTW this transformer problem is a 
 
&gt;&gt;&gt; known. 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   73' Andy, W3LI 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   ________________________________________ 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Tuesday noontime, Joe: 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   I have a Centaur..............keep it covered when not in use. 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   My Elmer told me to always keep it covered..................dust 
is  
&gt;&gt;&gt; the 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   problem. 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Even when covered, open it up every two-three years and do a 
internal 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   cleaning. 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   N1MHC/alsirois 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   ============= 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Gents, 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Have any of you gone a few rounds with a Centaur amp? 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   I have a one that blows fuses very intermittently. It vaporizes 
them  
&gt;&gt;&gt; both, 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   simultaneously, so it's apparently a dead-short somewhere. This  
&gt;&gt;&gt; happens 
&gt;&gt;&gt; even in stand-by. (i.e. No key-down) 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Before I tear into it, anyone have any ideas of common failures 
in  
&gt;&gt;&gt; these 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   amps? 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
&gt;&gt;&gt;   Later, Joe, K8MP 
&gt;&gt;&gt; 
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