I never said they wouldn't. Just that I have them. It might work just fine
without.
> From: Rick@DJ0IP.de
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 23:11:27 +0100
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] INFORMATION ABOUT VERTICAL ANTENNAS
>
> Gentlemen, you are incorrect.
> Verticals work just fine without any radials at all.
>
> Now let's all get on the same page:
>
> >> A Quarter Wavelength Vertical requires the kind of radial network you
> guys have been talking about.
>
> >> A Half Wavelength Vertical does not require any radials. It is a bear
> to match and difficult to control the Common Mode Current, but it does not
> need radials.
>
> >> A Center-Fed Vertical Dipole (1/2 wavelength long) does not require any
> radials and does not have any significant Common Mode Current problems.
>
> >> For that matter, a very short Openwire-Fed, Center-Fed Vertical Dipole
> does not require any radials at all but can be difficult to match on 80m...
> but it is easily doable with a Ten-Tec matchbox.
>
> But to say a vertical requires radials is wrong.
>
> One of the best limited space, low profile antennas is a center-fed,
> openwire fed short vertical. You can work all bands with it, with 40m and
> above working quite well, albeit 80m is a bit down from a full size
> horizontal, but at least you are on the air on that band. THIS is how you
> make a vertical work efficiently when your tiny yard has no room for
> radials.
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of P C Andy
> Anderson
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] INFORMATION ABOUT VERTICAL ANTENNAS
>
> For vertical to work at all it needs RADIALS. I have found that 30 radials
> is a min and 60 is best.
> 73' Andy, W3LI
>
>
> > Subject: [TenTec] INFORMATION ABOUT VERTICAL ANTENNAS
> >
> > I have been getting a lot of questions about my Vertical Antenna. I
> > speak purely from my own personal experience of being an Amateur Radio
> > Operator for the past 39 years.
> >
> > My 42 foot Hygain All Band Vertical is just 1 of my antennas. I also
> > have a
> >
> > Hygain Long John 4 Element 20 Meter Monoband Beam, 50 feet high on a
> > Universal Aluminum Tower and a
> >
> > Radio Works Full Wave Loop All Band Antenna.
> >
> > I also use an Ameritron AL-1200 Legal Limit Amplifier.
> >
> > Let me address my Vertcal Antenna setup. It is 42 feet high and I have
> > 30 radials, with each radial being 35 feet long, going out in a fan
> > type direction, for a total of over 1000 feet of radials.
> >
> > When I am running the TEN-TEC 20 meter SSB net, I use my Monoband
> > 20 meter beam. When I switch to my Full Wave Loop, the signals drop about
> 2dB.
> > When I switch to the Vertical Antenna the signal drops around 5dB and
> > the weaker stations cannot be heard.
> >
> > When I am running the TEN-TEC 40 meter net, I use the Full Wave Loop.
> > When I switch to the Vertical Antenna the signal drops about 4 to 5 dB
> > and the weaker stations cannot be heard.
> >
> > The VSWR is good on all antennas, so the point I am trying to make is
> > that my Vertical Antenna is a compromise antenna for me at my location.
> >
> > I know that I have worked many stations using a Vertical Antenna and
> > the people "swear" by them. Most of these people live in restricted
> > zone areas and cannot put up a beam/tower or a long wire or dipole.
> >
> > So what do they base their statements on, if they do not have another
> > antenna to compare it with?
> >
> > I know that some Vertical Antenna users will not agree with me and
> > that is their right to do so. I just wanted to respond with a blanket
> > post to address all those who have been contacting me about Vertical
> Antennas.
> >
> > I have never lived in a restricted zone area or sub-divison, but I
> > still can empathize with those who are forced to use Verticals and
> > Flagpoles or even Wires in their attic. If this works for you, I say
> > God bless you for finding a way to get your signal out and enjoy your
> hobby.
> >
> > Thank you for your time.
> >
> > John D. Occhipinti, K3UR
> > Net Manager, ten_tec Amateur Radio Nets
> >
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> >
> > Group Owner, ten_tec Amateur Radio Net Group
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> >
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