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Re: [TenTec] 17 Meter Antenna

To: george fritkin <georgefritkin@yahoo.com>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] 17 Meter Antenna
From: Don Jones <ko7i@comcast.net>
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:13:46 -0800
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I did using my 2 element array. 56 ohms J -6. Nearly perfect.
Vy 73, Don KO7i

On 11/23/2014 9:14 AM, george fritkin via TenTec wrote:
Really, did you measure the impedance at the feed point?
George, W6GF

      On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:50 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP 
<Rick@DJ0IP.de> wrote:
  GM George,

The advantage of this type of delta loop is, at low heights, the loop fed 
vertically polarized has a lower radiation angle than the dipole. The dipole 
will have to be raised a lot higher to match its radiation pattern.  The loop 
is also more broad banded.  Its advantage over a quarter wave vertical is, you 
don't need to put lay a bunch of radials, which often can be a nuisance.

As for how to feed it, well I have been feeding loops like this for 35 years 
and they have been giving me outstanding results.  That does not mean a perfect 
match but good enough to use without a matchbox.  Of course the impedance 
varies with height above ground.

If you have a better idea on how to feed it, please share it with us.
I'm always happy to learn something new.

My source of information on how to feed this type of antenna is from DL1BU (SK, 
and ex- chief technical Engineer of the DARC) in his article on loops, printed 
in the 1979 issue of CQDL magazine, page 154.

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt am Main)


-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of george fritkin 
via TenTec
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 4:40 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] 17 Meter Antenna

Delta loops show marginal gain over a dipole (1.1db), and are much more of a 
pain to erect.  As far as noise no real proof that is true.  And one more 
thing, feeding with 1/4 wave of 72ohm is more voodoo engineering you find here 
George, W6GF

     On Saturday, November 22, 2014 11:18 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP 
<Rick@DJ0IP.de> wrote:
  Use a telescoping fiberglass pole.
They don't have to be very high.
25 ft. is high enough if you make the horizontal bit a little longer.
That still leaves about 7 or 8' under the antenna so that people can walk under 
it.
Scott (W4PA) sells 40' poles.  One of those would be perfect.

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt am Main)


-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Reed
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 4:17 AM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] 17 Meter Antenna

I'm sure Gary they are the best antenna for the dollar, but not enough trees here for 
support.  I was raised on a farm & my late father, W4PFP & elmer, had some 
serious wire antennas.  I miss the real estate, but not the farming.

Reed  W4JZ


Reed,
     I had a 80M Delta loop up for quite a few years. It worked extremely well. 
Very quiet. It was fed in the corner with 75 ohm coax, then 50 ohm to the 
shack. My matching piece of 75 ohm coax was abt
46.5 feet long (1/4 wave x velocity factor of the cable). I'd put another up 
but all my trees have grown up.

Gary - KN0V


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