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Re: [TenTec] 17 Meter Antenna

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] 17 Meter Antenna
From: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:37:01 +0100
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I appreciate the performance one can get out of these magnetic loops, but
they are certainly nothing for use in a contest.  You have to re-tune them
every 5 or 6 kHz.  Of course since there are no contests on 17m . . . 

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt am Main)


-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Allen
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:15 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] 17 Meter Antenna

When you cost out Rich's design, it is not much more than other antenna
options.  By the time you get some No. 14 wire, coax, a mast, guying parts,
etc you have likely spent as much.  The vacuum variables used are both sides
of $100 mostly from Russia on eBay and the rest of the materials are less
than $100 typically, which can give you an antenna that works from say 40M
to 10M sometimes.  The helically loaded magnetic loop has attracted a great
deal of attention from HOA dwellers and others in antenna restricted
circumstances, although the remote tuning can be a complication.

73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Reed <w4jz@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Very good info guys.  I'm going to throw another antenna into the mix 
> that I also have been thinking about. It's a magnetic loop designed by 
> Rich K8NDS.  You can find info on his antennas at qrz.com &
> http://www.antennastealth.com/   He also has a u tube doing comparisons
> between the loop & doublet on 40 meters.
>
> I worked Rich some time ago on his 10-20M loop on 10 meters which is 
> up 6 feet high.  He got down to 15 milliwatts on the phone portion & I 
> was still able to copy him enough to understand what he was saying. I 
> have a old
> (1989) 2 El Hy-Gain tri band beam  on a very high hill which I know 
> helped a lot for me to receive his weak signal.  But I've done this 
> many times on CW into Europe, but never on phone anywhere.  Band 
> conditions were not that great, but for 10 were pretty good.  I was 
> using a Ten Tec Argonaut VI which I will say has a very good receiver.  
> Coax length is 150 feet of Belden RG-213 into beam that is only up 17 
> feet on a home-brew wooden tower bolted to a utility building.  I'm 
> sitting on a huge rock with only 18 inches of top soil.
>
> I was impressed with Rich's antenna, but that vacuum variable 
> capacitor are not cheap. When he went down to 15 milliwatts that was 
> what got my attention.  100 watts on ten meters into a wire on the 
> ground will still make contacts if band is open, but going down to the 
> milliwatt power is all about the antenna & coax.
>
> Would also be a good antenna for those in a HOA subdivision.
>
> 73,
> Reed  W4JZ
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