The Eagle turn-a-round time, TX to RX is 20ms. Same as for most other
radios.
The ARRL QST review is incorrect, however the RSGB review is correct.
73
Bob, K4TAX
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From: "Mike Schatzberg" <cherokeehillfarm@earthlink.net>
To: <k9yc@arrl.net>; "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
<tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] din connector, etc.
So if the ARRL lab test is correct, and the RF delay is 17 ms on the
Eagle, then time to settle receiving again is 70-17=53 ms.
The TS 590S total turn around is only 20 ms.
If you want to break into the transmission, you would have a harder time
to do so with the Eagle transmitting. Normally you could tap one dit or
two to break back in.
What do the keyboard folks do to break a transmission? Hit the letter E?
More than once?
73,
Mike
W2AJI
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On Sep 25, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:
On Thu,9/25/2014 9:02 AM, Roy wrote:
I operate everyday from 35 wpm to 45 wpm with QSK amplifiers. With the
built-in Eagle keyer, transmitted weight is perfectly adjustable
internally and with an external key or keyboard, weight is also
perfectly adjustable using the weight controls on the external keyer to
compensate for truncating effect of the 17ms. And again, of course
Eagle works QSK with QSK amps.!!!
Thinking more about this -- the ARRL scope traces compare the RF output
of the rig with the keying signal. This is NOT the same as the output of
a power amp being keyed by the radio.
I think we need to define a QSK amplifier. There is more than one way to
do it. The original Ten Tec way -- you key the Titan and the Titan keys
the radio. The limitation of this setup is that the rig must have a very
short delay on the RF signal. All amps, including the Titans, accept a DC
keying signal (either a DC short or +DC). As Rick has noted, amps with
vacuum relays switch very quickly, and can follow keying to fairly high
speeds.
And there's also the matter of what does the operator listen to in order
to decide if his keying is being shortened. If he listen to sidetone in
his headphones, that is generated in the rig, and does NOT accurately
represent the actual output of the rig or the amp. It's only what he's
TRYING to send with his keyer or key. To hear what we are ACTUALLY
sending, we must listen on a second radio (with no antenna connected and
the RF gain turned all the way down)!
Looking at ARRL test reports for the Eagle and the TS590S -- the "TX to
RX turnaround time" for the Eagle is 70 msec" and 20 msec for the 590.
So, as Rick noted, at high keying speeds we're not going to hear between
the dits, even barefoot. For both rigs, there's no shortening of the dits
in full QSK at 60 wpm, and if the key signal to the power amp is
coincident with the keying signal to the rig, an amp with a vacuum relay
or diode switching should reproduce the keying waveforms, while an amp
with open frame relays is likely to hot switch (unless there's a speedup
circuit).
73, Jim K9YC
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