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Re: [TenTec] TT 940 Power Supply

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] TT 940 Power Supply
From: Clayton Brantley via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Clayton Brantley <clayton_n4ev@yahoo.com>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:40:09 -0700
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Actually, the neutral is to be bonded to the safety ground at the meter ONLY.  
Some of the panels
that we see today have the safety ground and neutral tied together with a 
strap.  We are required to
remove the strap and isolate them in the panel.  This insures that the green 
wire is a safety ground
and does not carry any current.  This condition does vary in different parts of 
the country, but the
inspectors here is the Myrtle Beach area are very strict about where the 
neutral and ground are
bonded.

73 Clayton N4EV


On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:58 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX 
<RMcGraw@Blomand.net> wrote:
 


Thanks Stuart for the confirmation.

In my configuration, once I lifted the ground strap between Neutral and 
Ground on the OUTPUT of the UPS being the duplex outlets, there is no 
continuity between Neutral and Ground.  Again this is on the OUTPUT of the 
UPS and applies to all duplex outlets on that unit.  I found that each 
duplex outlet did have the strap in place thus I had to remove all of them. 
Having done this, my noise dropped noticeably.

Now, on the input side of the UPS, yes at the breaker panel for the house 
the Neutral and Ground are tied together.  But this is only, or should be 
only, at the breaker panel.   Thus if one reads resistance between Neutral 
and Ground on any duplex outlet they will find or should find continuity. 
PLEASE do not try to measure resistance with power applied to any of the 
circuits.  There may be some notable amount of AC voltage difference, 
depending on the IR drop of the wiring and associated with any load existing 
on the Neutral.

73
Bob, K4TAX




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Rohre" <rohre@arlut.utexas.edu>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] TT 940 Power Supply


> As a follow up to Bob's comment about checking for continuity between 
> safety ground terminal on an outlet and neutral; it is my understanding 
> from current codes, written up in electrical trade magazines discussions; 
> that the neutral is bonded at one place to the safety (green) ground wire, 
> and that is at the breaker box, presumably at the entry to the facility.
>
> Bonding in the UPS box seems counter to this practice, and certainly 
> creates a loop between neutral and safety ground.
>
> Often in practice we have found in our lab facility,  multiple loops 
> caused by bonding green safety ground to neutral in multiple boxes that 
> may exist between the service entry and the ultimate site of the powered 
> instrument.  It caused bad noise problems such that I finally had a 
> special feed conduit installed that was bonded at its source of power but 
> was insulated on brackets until it reached the lab needing low noise A/D 
> wiring.  That finally met our noise spec.  There was still continuity from 
> neutral to safety ground, but we controlled where that singular bond was 
> made.
>
> -Stuart
> K5KVH
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