I realize that "hit delete" is a quick answer, but many of us subscribe via the
digest. That means scrolling down thru the snide asides and racial slurs again
and again. You can see why foreign hams go for US gear. Make a post, be told
you're an inferior person.
One hams opinion.
Haney Howell
k2xn
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> 3. Re: Chinese Amps (Lee)
> 4. Re: OT: Chinese Amplifiers (Jim Brown)
> 5. Re: OT: Chinese Amplifiers (Cecil)
> 6. Re: OT: Chinese Amplifiers (R. Eric Sluder - W9WLW via TenTec)
> 7. Re: OT: Chinese Amplifiers (K8JHR)
> 8. Re: OT: Chinese Amplifiers (Jim Vohland)
> 9. Sell: Orion 565AT (Duane Calvin)
> 10. Re: OT: Chinese Amplifiers (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
> 11. Re: OT: Chinese Amplifiers (K8JHR)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:04:24 -0400
> From: "John F." <k4avx1@windstream.net>
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Subject: [TenTec] Chinese Amps
> Message-ID: <t8xoutnkffpnu7daasax798m.1401382726569@email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Of course the Chink ham radio gear will be just as high quality as all the
> other j...er stuff they send over to WalMart. Too bad you're not still in
> command. I think the quality depends on the standards and supervision of the
> American companies, just as you described.
> HOWEVER, they have a habit of using such expertise just long enough to steal
> all the patented material and learn how to make the product. You probably
> know they are in the process of dismissing IBM from some project they have
> been doing in the country.
>
> John
> . (Sent from, you guessed it, my cheap little Chinese Wonder Android). :-)
> :-)
> BTW, Only electronics factory I've ever been in is TenTec - I was impressed
>
>
>> On May 29, 2014, at 7:19 AM, george fritkin via TenTec
>> <tentec@contesting.com> wrote:
>>
>> As the former CEO of a large electronics company, I really object to this
>> out of hand criticism of not made in USA manufacturing, and stating that we
>> just slap labels on products without justification.? Have any of you ever
>> been in a modern factory in Chine??? Under my command, our quality standards
>> and honesty were world wide and the same
>>
>>
>> George, W6GF
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:11 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
>> wrote:p
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 16:54:18 -0500
> From: Stuart Rohre <rohre@arlut.utexas.edu>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] [TenTec_Eagle] Digest Number 977
> Message-ID: <5387AC8A.2010704@arlut.utexas.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> While not coming from this list directly, there was a query on the Eagle
> Digest about mobile mounting of an Eagle. It may be of general interest
> to discuss this.
>
> Computer mobile mounts for a laptop in a Police Car are similar problems
> to what mounting an Eagle would be. You can buy just the floor and post
> mount section of a computer mobile mount and then adapt a design that
> would hold the Eagle. A Clam shell type mount that goes over the top of
> the radio and has one end hinged and the other end could have a hasp and
> lock of your choice. I have seen fancy commercial post and shelf mounts
> sell at ham swap meets. Sometimes a PD will change over from an old
> generation digital terminal to a ruggedized Laptop, and sell their whole
> stock of in car mounts, and use a new version for the laptops.
>
> Some ham radio distributors have stocked versions of these that do not
> cost what a police department pays for their computer stands. This
> would be for horizontal mounting of the Eagle, but maybe it could be
> done sitting in front of the dash, and with a pivot be pushed out of the
> drivers way when not in use.
>
> Investigate what may be hidden in your dash first. Some cars have an
> air bag right above a glove box. Others have side air bags in unlikely
> places like the corner of the seat back. Most will have a small label
> warning there is a side bag.
>
> If you don't regularly carry a passenger in the front seat, you might be
> able to mount an Eagle on a homebrew mount that is attached to the front
> of the front passenger seat. A slide in type receptacle that would have
> a locking bar (L bar) that would confine the radio.
>
> Local mobile hams have for years had success with using a colored bath
> towel to cover the front panel of their radio. If the towel matches the
> upholstery color, the radio does not attract attention.
>
> Having an easy to store antenna in the trunk may also help keep down
> your mobile advertising itself. A small antenna base would only look
> like an old CB mount. If you have an expensive radio, then you likely
> need a car alarm, or should park in parking garages that are attended.
>
> Our hobby is not unlike others that require some extra effort or
> expense. The boater needs a dock or a marina to rent. The horseman
> needs a barn. The pilot needs a hanger and an airport runway. We mostly
> need some metal work.
>
> Stuart Rohre
> K5KVH
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 18:59:40 -0700
> From: Lee <ny6p01@gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Chinese Amps
> Message-ID:
> <CABpw4G8dv-j9gzPMLN4420pqL9Pf6QMC0DDk8571uTmsh=d0tQ@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Just thought I'd chime in to say that Chinese quality has come a long way,
> and has a long way to go. This is a general statement: in specific cases,
> the quality is exemplary.
>
> All economies fixate on imitation (and intellectual 'borrowing') in the
> first phases of their advancement. I'm old enough to remember when 'made in
> Japan' was a term of derision.
>
> Btw, using language that is not offensive to describe certain ethnic groups
> imparts the same info without the bitter aftertaste. :)
>> On May 29, 2014 10:04 AM, "John F." <k4avx1@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> Of course the Chink ham radio gear will be just as high quality as all the
>> other j...er stuff they send over to WalMart. Too bad you're not still in
>> command. I think the quality depends on the standards and supervision of
>> the American companies, just as you described.
>> HOWEVER, they have a habit of using such expertise just long enough to
>> steal all the patented material and learn how to make the product. You
>> probably know they are in the process of dismissing IBM from some project
>> they have been doing in the country.
>>
>> John
>> . (Sent from, you guessed it, my cheap little Chinese Wonder Android). :-)
>> :-)
>> BTW, Only electronics factory I've ever been in is TenTec - I was impressed
>>
>>
>>> On May 29, 2014, at 7:19 AM, george fritkin via TenTec <
>> tentec@contesting.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> As the former CEO of a large electronics company, I really object to
>> this out of hand criticism of not made in USA manufacturing, and stating
>> that we just slap labels on products without justification. Have any of
>> you ever been in a modern factory in Chine? Under my command, our quality
>> standards and honesty were world wide and the same
>>>
>>>
>>> George, W6GF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:11 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX
>> <RMcGraw@Blomand.net> wrote:p
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 21:15:49 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> Message-ID: <538805F5.6060905@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
>> They will come today if you yell mayday and are sinking.
>
> Nothing personal, but I'm REALLY tired with game after game of "ain't it
> awful." Last I heard, this was the Ten Tec reflector, for discussion of
> Ten Tec products, and the application of Ten Tec products.
>
> No it ain't 1959, and it ain't never gonna be again. Get over it.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 01:38:58 -0500
> From: Cecil <chacuff@cableone.net>
> To: "k9yc@arrl.net" <k9yc@arrl.net>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> Message-ID: <5DE22788-1497-4204-9973-AF72CB8A60A2@cableone.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Neat thing they didn't have in 1959 Jim....
>
> The DELETE KEY....just push it and the world gets happy again...
>
> On another topic closer to home...secondary market prices for Orion II's seem
> to be staying healthy...I wouldn't be surprised to see them increase a bit
> now that new ones are no longer available. Haven't seen one bust $3k yet but
> their close.
>
> Cecil
> K5DL
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 29, 2014, at 11:15 PM, Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> They will come today if you yell mayday and are sinking.
>>
>> Nothing personal, but I'm REALLY tired with game after game of "ain't it
>> awful." Last I heard, this was the Ten Tec reflector, for discussion of Ten
>> Tec products, and the application of Ten Tec products.
>>
>> No it ain't 1959, and it ain't never gonna be again. Get over it.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 03:45:29 -0400
> From: "R. Eric Sluder - W9WLW via TenTec" <tentec@contesting.com>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>, Bob
> McGraw - K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> Message-ID: <8da18084-03f7-4573-a980-02a033f4629e@email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Bob,
>
> I agree... that's why I'm starting with a better antenna first.
>
> Eric
> W9WLW
>
> On May 29, 2014 11:06:05 AM EDT, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
> wrote:
> |In order to get any significant advantage, I'd say about 10 dB
> |additional
> |gain or power is required. From your 600 watt PEP value this equates
> |to 6
> |KW PEP. Still interested?
> |
> |By the math, basically going from 600 watts PEP to the legal limit of
> |1500
> |watts PEP then about 4.0 dB of power gain is required. That nets about
> |3/4
> |S unit increase.
> |
> |73
> |Bob K4TAX
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |----- Original Message -----
> |From: "R. Eric Sluder-W9WLW via TenTec" <tentec@contesting.com>
> |To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> |Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:20 PM
> |Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> |
> |
> |How about option #3 - build your own amp? :-) My rag chew buddies on 80
> |
> |meters are pestering me to build my own so they can hear me over the
> |summer
> |static crashes when my measly 600 PEP isn't cutting it.
> |
> |-Eric
> |W9WLW
> |http://w9wlw.blogspot.com/
> |
> |
> |>________________________________
> |> From: Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
> |>To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment' <tentec@contesting.com>
> |>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:34 PM
> |>Subject: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> |>
> |>
> |>Along with the transceiver clones, there are amplifier clones.
> |>A clone of the OM-Power amplifiers has been selling down under for
> |about a
> |>year.
> |>
> |>Apparently they have opted to test the Australian market first. Closer
> |to
> |>home?
> |>They entered the market for about $2500 but are now selling for close
> |to
> |>$2K.
> |>
> |>Array Solutions sells OM-Power amplifiers in the states.
> |>See: http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/OM_Power/OM_Power.htm
> |>
> |>And here's a link to the Chinese amplifiers:
> |>http://www.amp.co.nf/
> |>
> |>TWO QUESTIONS for you guys:
> |>
> |>1). Would you rather pay $7K for an original OM-Power, made in the
> |Slovak
> |>Republic or $2K for what looks to be the same amplifier, but made in
> |China?
> |>
> |>2). Regardless of how you answered #1, what do you think most people
> |will
> |>do?
> |>
> |>OK, so some of you answered "neither" and will stick with "made in
> |>America".
> |>How much longer?
> |>
> |>IMO the cheap clones will cause the good OEMs to switch their business
> |to
> |>something else, or simply close their doors.
> |>Not today and not tomorrow but within 5 years!
> |>
> |>73
> |>Rick, DJ0IP
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:44:39 -0400
> From: K8JHR <jrichards@k8jhr.com>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> Message-ID: <53887D37.7090404@k8jhr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> TT offers used Orion II radios for between $3300 and $3500 depending on
> filters, options, etc., while street price for used O IIs (eBay, QRZ.com
> forums, local swap meets) ranges between $2700 and $2900. At least that
> is what I am seeing.
>
> ------------------ JHR -----------------------------------
>
> On 5/30/2014 2:38 AM, Cecil wrote:
>
> secondary market prices for Orion II's seem to be staying healthy...
> Haven't seen one bust $3k yet but their close.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> .
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:54:15 -0400
> From: Jim Vohland <n9vo@hotmail.com>
> To: "tentec@contesting.com" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> Message-ID: <BAY177-W16297EEBFC59524B948D5F81270@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Only one O-II listed on QTh board and it's listed for $2300.
>
>> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:44:39 -0400
>> From: jrichards@k8jhr.com
>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
>>
>> TT offers used Orion II radios for between $3300 and $3500 depending on
>> filters, options, etc., while street price for used O IIs (eBay, QRZ.com
>> forums, local swap meets) ranges between $2700 and $2900. At least that
>> is what I am seeing.
>>
>> ------------------ JHR -----------------------------------
>>
>> On 5/30/2014 2:38 AM, Cecil wrote:
>>
>> secondary market prices for Orion II's seem to be staying healthy...
>> Haven't seen one bust $3k yet but their close.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> .
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:03:53 -0500
> From: "Duane Calvin" <ac5aa1@gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>,
> <TenTec@yahoogroups.com>, <orion565@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [TenTec] Sell: Orion 565AT
> Message-ID: <09ca01cf7c07$9c8c9d30$d5a5d790$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> FS: Orion 565AT in excellent condition, both cosmetically and
> operationally. Original owner, non-smoking environment. Includes INRAD 600
> Hz filter, #301 cooling fan, and TenTec (Heil) Studio One microphone.
> Original paper manual as well as updated manual (printed) and an assortment
> of helpful note printed from the reflector(s). Version 2 hardware upgrade
> has been performed. All the performance of an Orion II at far lower price!
>
> $1795 shipped to you in the US
>
>
>
> Duane Calvin, AC5AA
> Austin, Texas
> <http://www.ac5aa.com/> www.ac5aa.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 08:26:00 -0500
> From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> Message-ID: <1D7FC202E5F249D782E23FBAD1E6FD7C@FAMILY>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Likely true. But purchasing from Tentec there is a 30 day warranty as I
> recall. And should there be an issue, I'm sure they will make it right.
> Then purchasing from a user or E-Bay or hamfest seller, you get what you
> get. I don't like to spend any more money than necessary thus I try to buy
> wisely, not necessarily the cheapest or least expensive.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K8JHR" <jrichards@k8jhr.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
>
>
>> TT offers used Orion II radios for between $3300 and $3500 depending on
>> filters, options, etc., while street price for used O IIs (eBay, QRZ.com
>> forums, local swap meets) ranges between $2700 and $2900. At least that is
>> what I am seeing.
>>
>> ------------------ JHR -----------------------------------
>>
>> On 5/30/2014 2:38 AM, Cecil wrote:
>>
>> secondary market prices for Orion II's seem to be staying healthy...
>> Haven't seen one bust $3k yet but their close.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> .
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 10:35:58 -0400
> From: K8JHR <jrichards@k8jhr.com>
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Chinese Amplifiers
> Message-ID: <5388974E.8000802@k8jhr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Yes... I was not saying any thing negative about TT's prices. They
> reflect the difference between buying from TT or from some stranger on
> the Internet - even without a 30 day warranty, TT tends to stand by its
> stuff, so you get that extra measure of assurance - and that is worth
> something.
>
> You give good reasons to buy from TT HQ. I got lucky with mine,
> it was barely used maybe ten times or so, and was super 'minty' - but
> one would definitely be safer dealing with TT HQ than some bloke on the
> internet. It all depends on your threshold for economic pain and
> ability to absorb a loss.
>
> I have been lucky... only one eBay purchase has gone poorly and that was
> from a guy only 20 miles from me! (I purchased a Jupiter from the
> estate of an SK, and it needed repair work right away. But that is
> exactly the sort of rusk to take and even considering the cost of
> repair, I still did OK by the time I sold it.)
>
> Yes... especially in business...
>
> GOOD EQUIPMENT COSTS GOOD MONEY...
> ...AND IT PAYS TO BUY GOOD EQUIPMENT.
>
> -------------------- JHR -------------------------------
>
>> On 5/30/2014 9:26 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>> Likely true. But purchasing from Tentec there is a 30 day warranty as I
>> recall. And should there be an issue, I'm sure they will make it
>> right. Then purchasing from a user or E-Bay or hamfest seller, you get
>> what you get. I don't like to spend any more money than necessary thus
>> I try to buy wisely, not necessarily the cheapest or least expensive.
>>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
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