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Re: [TenTec] Ten-Tec 411 Centaur Amp Problem

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Ten-Tec 411 Centaur Amp Problem
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@weather.net>
Reply-to: geraldj@weather.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:46:39 -0500
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Within the past few years, tests of Collins linears has not found the effects on linearity claimed for that magic length of coax. Even with the same transmitters and linears used decades ago. The 30S-1 has a tuned input, unlike the 411. And the exciters of its era used tubes and a TUNED output, not just a low pass filter which changes the interaction between the PA and the exciter. Those exciters also had RF feedback to improve their linearity at all signal levels.

On 6/2/2010 12:41 PM, CSM(r) Gary Huber wrote:

   Gary's observation means that no matter the band the input impedance is the same 
except for the "intervention" of the coax between the exciter and the AMP.

  No, that's not quiet the case... the input resistor's impedance remains the 
same but impedance/reactance of the tubes will change with the operating 
frequency, the load (antenna and feedline) and the tune and load controls of 
the amplifier (and the quality of the amplifier's chassis to RF ground 
connection).  So you can get a different input impedance as well as a different 
reactance which may require a different length of coax between the exciter and 
amplifier.

From http://www.wa3key.com/collins.html

INPUT CIRCUITS

Pi-network broad-tuned circuits and the interconnecting r-f feed line match the 
50-ohm input impedance to the cathode impedance, which is approximately 100 
ohms. The 20.5-foot length of cable (furnished) is necessary between the 32S-1 
(or KWM-2) driver and the 30S-1 input circuits. This is due to the necessity of 
having an even multiple of 180-degree phase shifts between driver plate and 
power amplifier grid. The cable length and the 30S-1 input circuits together 
accomplish this. An even multiple of 180-degree phase shifts is necessary 
because modulation components cause a change in the resistive PA cathode 
impedance which is translated to a shift in reactive impedance at the driver 
plate. The shift in reactive impedance, at the driver plate, results in phase 
modulation of the driver and increases the total over-all distortion of the 
system. A 2.5-foot additional length of cable is furnished to bring the total 
interconnecting cable length to 23.0 feet for use with the KWM-
1 a

  s a driver. Drive power required for maximum legal input on SSB is 80 watts 
PEP.


I'd  build a two section cable (RG-8) as above and try loading the amplifier 
into a good dummy load just to see if it'd solve the problem.

Best regards,

CSM(r) Gary Huber - AB9M
9679 Heron Bay Rd
Bloomington, IL 61705
(309-662-0604)
www.csm-gh.com
glhuber@msn.com
gary.huber@us.army.mil


A choke on the coax will only show something IF the coax connectors are not solidly grounded to their chassis. Or the coax connectors are not solidly soldered to the braid of the cable.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

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