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Re: [TenTec] 2.033

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] 2.033
From: Lin Davis <linbdavis@earthlink.net>
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Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 21:02:28 -0400
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Hi Grant,

Thanks for the info. Interesting.

I respect what you say, and hope that if you find out it what they are truly doing, you let us know. I'll do likewise. I totally agree that with a constant signal, the SNNR is not improved, but when the signal pauses, the noise level is reduced, and that is a benefit to me. For CW work, I notice that the weak CW note sounds raspy, but is is more distinct and stands out from the noise more than without NR on. Especially with a very narrow BW setting, where all the noise is spectrally close to the CW note.

73,
Lin
WB1AIW

Grant Youngman wrote:

What you say about the "distortion" actually being the noise that had been suppressed until the cw element or ssb signal raised the gain is accurate.


It's easily visible in a waterfall display.
http://mysite.verizon.net/nq5t/Misc/CWgram.png

I've never really figured out if you're right in your conclusion that NR is
a downward expander, but the one thing I'm absolutely certain of is that it
adds nothing to (S+N)/N ratio, and at any BW below about 1000 Hz actually
degrades it.  While it may reduce background noise during no-signal
conditions, the signal elements are buried in just as much noise with NR as
without.

I took the time to remeasure SNNR changes with NR=9 tonight, since the
subject reared its ugly and already too-beaten-to-death head again today.
These numbers are consistent (+/- a dB) with what I found the last time I
did it many weeks ago.

BW          Delta SNNR (NR=9)
-----------------------------
3000 Hz  + 1.0 dB
1000 Hz      - 0.4 dB
500  Hz      - 1.0 dB
100  Hz      - 2.0 dB

Disclaimers:  The usual stuff about not hating my Orion II, etc. :-)

Grant/NQ5T


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