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Re: [TenTec] Station and AC Ground

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Station and AC Ground
From: "Gary Hoffman" <ghoffman@spacetech.com>
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:38 -0500
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Although I don't know if my system, or anyone's system could really take the
full brunt of a direct strike (although I know several have claimed so), I
do agree that even a few tenth's of an ohm of resistance is a serious issue.

Also, in the event of taking, let us say, a heavy load from at least a very
nearby strike, you might have enough current to heat joints up enough to
melt solder and even silver solder.  For that reason, I braze all my ground
connections with pure copper brazing rod  (ok, it has a few percent
phosphorous mixed in) that melts at a temperature only a little less than
that of the copper conductors themselves.  In this way I get a very low
impedance connection that won't blow apart under a very heavy load.

If, for whatever reason, I can't braze it, then I use very heavy mechanical
bonding, perhaps in combination with solder or silver solder, to try to
insure the connection survives under very heavy loads.

Better than this I cannot do.  Incidentally, I use large diameter, soft
copper, refrigeration copper tubing for my ground conductors where possible.
This can be selected in a size to fit firmly over the OD of the ground rods,
and then brazed in place.  Very low impedance, as long as the length is
either significantly less than 1/4 wave or else a half wave long at the
frequency of interest.  Otherwise you get a very high RF impedance, and no
ground.

73 de Gary, AA2IZ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Hyder -N4NT-" <n4nt_m_o_hyder@charter.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Station and AC Ground


> Problem with this (as I understand the convoluted explanation) is where
> instead of Zero ohms, you have 0.1 or 0.2 ohms.  Then take a lightning
> strike with a current of maybe 10,000 amps and you will see that there can
> be quite a voltage drop.
>
> Mike N4NT
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "JAMES BRASSELL" <jimbrass@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:37 AM
> Subject: [TenTec] Station and AC Ground
>
>
> Hey, All.
>
> Just a quick observation and question.  I have read many posts on this
site
> about having the station and AC mains grounds tied together.  For my
> observation, when you have a separate station ground (and I do; a good
one)
> and all pieces of equipment are tied to that ground and the ground wire
from
> the AC plug is tied to the equipment chassis then you have effectively
tied
> the AC mains ground to the station ground.  I have measured from the AC
> mains ground to the station ground and it is zero ohms, with no voltage
(to
> the microvolt between them).  I have looked in the equipment and the AC
> ground is tied directly to the chassis, not through a board.  My question
> is, if the equipment is grounded and you have a good AC mains ground is
that
> not tying the mains and station grounds together?  I could see where one
> might have a problem if the ground in the equipment was achieved through a
> circuit board and the equipment was not otherwise grounded.  I feed two
> verticals, GAP Titan and
>  Voyager, and run 1500 watts into them on a regular basis without any RF
> problems.  What say you?
>
> Jim, K4ZMV
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