All these tricks of the trade are what is known as the "learning process".
Any serious contester, DXer, or a radioactive ham knows these. Or
should....hi.
Another major modern day factor is the DX Cluster. Care to count how many
times you see a station posted and "DEAD ON TOP" of whatever is going on you
hear a multitude of callers?
Lots of listening there I am sure.
Another thing that happens is folks don't KNOW MORSE at any speed any more.
At least that is the way it seems. Otherwise why would someone post W4TNI
on the cluster, and I got bunches of dupes in just a few minutes?
Uh......I had been on that particular freq for several minutes BTW.
I was unaware of that, at that particular moment till after the contest and
I pulled up my call to see how many spots I got. Quite a few
actually.......then for grins I pulled variations that usually happen when
lids copy my call wrong.....yep W4TNI, same time, date and right where I
was running. This was during Sweeps BTW.
So, IMHO, it is more than just a problem of poor operating. It's also poor
training to say the least.
Dan/W4NTI
----- Original Message -----
From: "K4SAV" <RadioIR at charter.net>
To: <secc at contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SECC] Claimed Score, K4TD, CQWW CW - 2005
>I understand your comments Bill, but that is not exactly what I was
> trying to say. I'm sure you don't do what I was trying to say.
>
> I was trying to say these guys only pause to listen for their call being
> sent from the DX station. If their call is not heard, or the DX station
> is sending someone elses call, or in the middle of an exchange, they go
> back to sending again. I have listened to guys who are in the transmit
> mode 90% of the time.
>
> In reference to what you are saying, I also do that. When you are sure
> the DX station is listening, send your call once, pause for a response,
> no response send your call again. If the DX station is slow at getting
> calls, then on the first try you can repeat your call twice, then go to
> listen, once, listen, once, etc. And as you said, you can only do this
> when you can hear the DX station. And it isn't a good idea to do this
> if the DX station is working simplex, because your last call will often
> coincide with the start of transmission from the DX station, but it
> works very well in split. In simplex mode, I only use one or two calls
> max, but there are often times you can tell that the DX station didn't
> get a call sign out of the pile, and so you can try him again. Hard to
> describe this, but most good operators know when, and good timing here
> will often get him. Also if the DX station is in simplex mode and there
> is a big pile, and you can't just crush the pile, offseting your
> transmit freq by plus or minus 150 to 200 Hz can make you stand out from
> the rest of the pack.
>
> It occurs to me that the guys who know most of the tricks to working DX
> stations in a pile are those experienced operators who use low power or
> poor antennas. A good bag of tricks is a necessity in this situation.
> If you have a big antenna and lots of power, just go right over the top
> of the pile.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> Bill Coleman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2005, at 9:27 AM, K4SAV wrote:
>>
>>> I also notice similar things in other DX piles ups, not in a contest.
>>> These guys start sending their call, pause and when they don't hear the
>>> DX station calling them back, immediately start sending again.
>>
>>
>> I do this. Particularly if I've determined the DX station isn't
>> getting calls right out of the pile. The trick is to pause and
>> listen. You don't just pause and then transmit. You have to be able
>> to hear the DX.
>>
>> If the DX is really weak, or there's bunch of goobs covering him up,
>> you can't do this. But a timed call like this will often put you out
>> there in the clear. Worked for me a number of times this weekend. I
>> don't believe I slowed down any DX station at all.
>>
>> My only complaint are the many guys who wanted to put me into eastern
>> europe and insist I was TA4LR....
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
>> Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
>> -- Wilbur Wright, 1901
>>
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