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Re: [RTTY] QRM to W1AW/0 (MO) RTTY

To: joeduerbusch <k0bx@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] QRM to W1AW/0 (MO) RTTY
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 09:49:45 -0600
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I never said that there was no value in the bulletins. I asked how many people actually copied them.

I don't agree that any station should just be able to come up and take over a frequency. That is a blatant violation of the rules. The ARRL is not above any of us.

You missed the point of the 313 reference. There is no stipulations in the rules that if I send out notice in a magazine that I am going to do X on 14.313 or 14.300 or 18.100 I can without following the rules of my license. The ARRL is no different. Why should they be allowed to do but I can't? If this is the case then if I was a net I could easily make the case to the FCC that you have allowed the ARRL to do it for 40 years so I am going to own XYZ frequencies. This is exactly what we are going to see with PACTOR 4 and Winlink across our CW bands.

All Amateur stations need to follow ALL the rules.

Mike W0MU

On 6/4/2014 9:00 AM, joeduerbusch wrote:
Hi Mike, I do agree with Ed K0KL on this. I have been copying the W1AW bulletins for 40 years. I still do, mostly on RTTY but sometimes on CW. I have used the scheduled bulletins on RTTY to check out various RTTY Equipment. I even used W1AW CW to calibrate my Heathkit HW-16 when I was a Novice.
Just because it broke a QSO with you, it doesn't mean it has no value.
As far as setting up on 14313, you can do that. K1MAN did the same thing for years on 14275. Just be ready to be at your station 24/7.

So when W1AW comes on, either QSY or just copy it.

Joe K0BX



On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 5:01 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com <mailto:w0mu@w0mu.com>> wrote:

    Does anyone even copy these bulletins anymore.  There is no way to
    find out.  In this day and age I doubt many do.

    Published months in advance do not allow one to break the rules.
    So if I publish my operating schedule on 14.313 months in advance
    and fire up, this is ok?  I think not.

    Mike W0MU

    On 6/3/2014 9:47 AM, Edwin Karl wrote:

        How about don't blame the victim ... !

        I didn't know even the exalted bulletins were special
        and above the rules we all live with (?)

        Ed K0KL

        On 6/3/2014 10:20 AM, Dick Kriss wrote:

            Gary AL9A.

            The W1AW Bulletin station has been doing that for years.
            The error was on the part of the W1AW/0 (MO) operator for
            setting up and calling CQ on the published W1AW broadcast
            frequency.

            It would be interesting to see a poll taken of the amateur
            community on the need for ARRL W1AW broadcast station.
            Broadcasting was good when it was created but may no
            longer be useful or used.  Maintaining a club station for
            member use has value; however, I would rather see the
            operational cost of broadcasting channeled into more
            useful projects, like LoTW.

            Dick AA5VU

            On Jun 2, 2014, at 10:34 PM, Gary AL9A <al9a@mtaonline.net
            <mailto:al9a@mtaonline.net>> wrote:

                In no way is this "amusing".  It is a portent of of
                what awaits us all should RM-11708 be enacted as is.

                Dick, I think you should send a copy of your email to
                ARRL and ask why they interfered with one of their own
                W1AW portable stations?  Also ask what are they going
                to do to insure this doesn't happen again to any
                unfortunate soul who happens to be operating on
                "their" frequency when its time to transmit a ARRL
                bulletin?

                73,
                Gary AL9A

                -----Original Message----- From: David Tanks via RTTY
                Sent: June 02, 2014 2:35 PM
                To: Dick Kriss ; RTTY Reflector
                Subject: Re: [RTTY] QRM to W1AW/0 (MO) RTTY


                This is amusing. The ARRL is touting RM 11708 as being
                helpful, while at the same time QRMing an on-going
                operation on a frequency without checking to see if it
                is busy! The ARRL does not have a right to a frequency
                if it is occupied already. They are supposed to move
                to prevent QRM, correct?


                73, David AD4TJ



                ________________________________
                From: Dick Kriss <aa5vu@att.net <mailto:aa5vu@att.net>>
                To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com
                <mailto:rtty@contesting.com>>
                Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 6:29 PM
                Subject: [RTTY] QRM to W1AW/0 (MO) RTTY


                I was trying to work W1AW/0 (MO) on RTTY at 18.100 and
                W1AW home bulletin station came on like a PACTOR robot
                and wiped out any chance of working the W1AW/O
                Centennial station.

                Future W1AW/P RTTY operations should avoid W1AW
                broadcast frequencies.

                Dick AA5VU




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