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Subject: Re: [RTTY] RTTY Digest, Vol 52, Issue 17
From: "Eko Budhi Purwanto" <yulieb@indo.net.id>
Reply-to: Eko Budhi Purwanto <yulieb@indo.net.id>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:51:19 +0700
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Dear all,
I just say that: Hearing  "the QRM-QSO" is a big deal and so trigerly in HAM 
world life.

YC1RYL
Eko Budhi



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Today's Topics:

   1. More on LCD monitors for DOS (Bill Turner)
   2. Re: Blacklisting over zealous callers (john)
   3. Re: Blacklisting over zealous callers (Robert Chudek - K0RC)
   4. Re: Blacklisting over zealous callers (Bill Turner)
   5. Re: Blacklisting over zealous callers (Chris Vincent)
   6. Re: Blacklisting over zealous callers (Bill Turner)
   7. just to remind people (FireBrick)
   8. Re: W1GKK (Ed)
   9. Re: Blacklisting over zealous callers (N3SL@aol.com)
  10. Re: Blacklisting over zealous callers (Ed)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:12:54 -0700
From: Bill Turner <dezrat@copper.net>
Subject: [RTTY] More on LCD monitors for DOS
To: rtty@contesting.com, cq-contest@contesting.com
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Thanks to all who replied to my question about LCD monitors working
with an old DOS computer.

I now have a shiny new HP monitor hooked up and running RiTTY by K6STI
and it works great. It's a little unnerving in that the display goes
right to the very edge of the frame, but all pixels are there, none
missing. Just a little different but I'll get used to it. :-)

Tnx again,

73, Bill W6WRT




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:31:18 +0000
From: john <w8wej@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: Bill Turner <dezrat@copper.net>
Cc: rtty@contesting.com
Message-ID: <461D61B6.8090100@citynet.net>
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another way is simply do not confirm the contact.. no qsl---   you are 
not going to shame or "educate" folk that simply dont care who they mess 
over  and continue their, I want(demand) mine and the "H" with you all.
in other words dx stations make an internal black list--and perhaps send 
to these idiots, thanks for your card, but you are not getting ours due 
to your being a jerk
do that in several major dx dxpeditions  and see if things do not calm 
down a bit..
we all make mistakes,,God knows I have(do),, but somewhere along the 
line wethey(dx) really(should) need to draw the line.
ok, bitch mode now off
have a great day
73 john w8wej


Bill Turner wrote:
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:48:17 -0700, Kok Chen <chen@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>   
>> But I bet the same guys are too thick skinned to care.
>>
>> Perhaps better to put "LID" in the mode box <grin>.
>>
>> 73
>> Chen, W7AY
>>     
>
> ------------ REPLY FOLLOWS ------------
>
> I like that too! :-)
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:48:33 -0500
From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@citlink.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: <rtty@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <036201c77c8b$88b7be30$6400a8c0@GX400A>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

I was also copying last night when N8S lectured several stations and... as 
painful as it was watching him slowly type out his "Black List" message to the 
offender... I applauded his strategy.

Sure, a macro could be setup for the occasional need to control the 
uncontrollable. But I think the way it played out last night was very 
effective. Obviously many of us saw first hand the N8S operator(s) are not 
going to let the over zealous ruin it for all the others. I have listened to 
several lectures on SSB as well.

I have not participated in a DXpedition, so I'm not certain how much QRM abuse 
I could tolerate. At home I have the option to push back from the radio and go 
watch TV. I know some DX abruptly go QRT when things get out of hand too. I 
don't think that is a viable strategy on Swains Island.

73 de Bob - K?RC in MN

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:08:21 -0700
From: Bill Turner <dezrat@copper.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <9gjq135lt64t7g6491huf8337na545a5rt@4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:54:34 -0700, Kok Chen <chen@mac.com> wrote:


>The solution is very simple: look at what the DX is sending and  
>fashion your calls to be shorter.  Shannon-Nyquist Sampling Theorem.

------------ REPLY FOLLOWS ------------

You took the words right out of my mouth, all but the Nyquist part, of
course. :-)

Bill W6WRT


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:11:14 -0700
From: Bill Turner <dezrat@copper.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: <rtty@contesting.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:48:33 -0500, "Robert Chudek - K0RC"
 <k0rc@citlink.net> wrote:

>I have not participated in a DXpedition, so I'm not certain how much QRM abuse 
>I could tolerate.

------------ REPLY FOLLOWS ------------

I haven't either, but I'm pretty sure my strategy would be to
instantly QSY to another station. Let the idiot continue calling while
I work someone else. I don't think he could affect my rate much if
any. Also, part of my strategy would be to never work two stations in
a row on the same frequency. Always QSY the RX after each QSO to help
spread them out, otherwise you get everybody on a single frequency. I
might make an exception if things got really slow and I got lazy.

Just some musings, like I said I have not DXPeditioned myself.

Bill W6WRT


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:12:47 -0500
From: Chris Vincent <w5ctv@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: rtty@contesting.com
Message-ID: <461D6B6F.1000808@cox.net>
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Good one Chen. With that in the mode box they can't use the card for any 
awards.  They get to have their cake but they don't get to eat it!

73,
Chris
W5CTV

> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:48:17 -0700
> From: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
> To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
> Message-ID: <7E561E87-9085-4E46-802E-870C9947A365@mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
> 
> On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
> 
>> Right you are. One of the best suggestions I ever heard was to work
>> the lid, but when you send his QSL, write something on in bold letters
>> like "NEXT TIME WAIT YOUR TURN" or something equally damning. He'll
>> have the card but will not likely want to show it off or send it in.
> 
> But I bet the same guys are too thick skinned to care.
> 
> Perhaps better to put "LID" in the mode box <grin>.
> 
> 73
> Chen, W7AY


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:19:50 -0700
From: Bill Turner <dezrat@copper.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: rtty@contesting.com
Message-ID: <56rq13lmhmmhm6gphs02943ahau90gfl1u@4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:12:47 -0500, Chris Vincent <w5ctv@cox.net>
 wrote:

>Good one Chen. With that in the mode box they can't use the card for any 
>awards.  They get to have their cake but they don't get to eat it!
>
>73,
>Chris
>W5CTV

------------ REPLY FOLLOWS ------------

And the most delicious part is that MODE=LID is exactly correct!

Bill W6WRT


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:30:58 -0500
From: "FireBrick" <w9ol@billnjudy.com>
Subject: [RTTY] just to remind people
To: "RTTY List" <rtty@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <00c001c77c91$758633e0$6501a8c0@media>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original

I can't be the only person who got out of 'sync' with a rtty dx station.
And called out of turn.

QRM, QRN, can cover a station also so you didn't hear he call someone 
specific.
Especially wrong vfo actions.
And I think 'Cops' can create many of these 'out of sync' situations.

Especially in the big pileups where he has to hunt for a callsign, the 
interval can vary greatly.
If I don't hear him respond with a callsign.
I give another 1x.

So sometimes, the out of turn calling was innocent. 



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:58:40 +0000
From: Ed <k4sb@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] W1GKK
To: rtty@contesting.com
Message-ID: <461D7630.6DCD6D68@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
> According to W1JR, he passed away several years ago.
> 73 - Jim AD1C
-------
That is a real shame. Very few of us who have been licensed for 30+
years have not benefited by his teaching and operating. I would hope 
a new Club might be established in recognition of his work.

Too many absent friends now.

73
Ed


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:08:19 EDT
From: N3SL@aol.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: rtty@contesting.com
Message-ID: <d0e.6e36e9e.334ed273@aol.com>
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:48:33 -0500, "Robert Chudek  - K0RC"
<k0rc@citlink.net> wrote:

>I have not participated in  a DXpedition, so I'm not certain how much QRM 
abuse I could tolerate.

==================

Well, I have, and I think this entire thread is from the wrong  perspective.

To bring a pile up to a complete halt in order to chastise a station is a  
total waste of time.  Since this thread is about RTTY, I'll leave it at  that, 
but it still is not widely different from CW or SSB.

While all on "this side" of the pile up may think it's warranted to send  the 
blacklist message, it reflects an inexperienced operator, or one who simply  
does not know how to control the pile up (or his temper).  Running a pile  up 
from the DX side is something you have to experience.  Take the  beginning of 
CQWW RTTY and multiply it by a minimum factor of 10.  From the  DX side you 
have very little choice other than to work the ones you can print  and get them 
out of the pile.  It may be a "shame" that the "lid" has the  strongest 
signal, but so what?  You haven't got time to fart around with  nastygrams.  
It's 
easier to work him so he goes away.  Most people on  "this side" of the pile 
most likely couldn't copy the guy anyway.  And with  RTTY, it's even more 
difficult than other modes, even with a 300Hz filter and  the best decoding 
device, 
be that hardware or software.

Frankly, the non-stop callers, jammers, cops, etc are FAR MORE of a  
disruption to a pile up than a VERY few stations who dupe.  Many people,  
including 
Doug, TQS, who is on Swain's, AA5AU, etc, have published excellent  guidelines 
on how to "behave" on this side of a pile up.  Unfortunately,  the "me, me, me" 
mentality prevails.

The topic of this thread is certainly not new.  Before we even left  for 
Agalega, we had a meeting to discuss exactly how to handle the KNOWN abusers  
of 
multiple Qs.  The list was extensive, and I would doubt many of you  would be 
surprised to know the USA lead the count.  Europe had a few, South  America a 
hand full, and Japan - NONE.  Be that as it may, our unanimous  decision was to 
work them and move on.  You have to realize, that if you're  copying/printing 
xx1xx, it's because he's strong, get him out of there by  working him!  CW = 
5 seconds.  RTTY = 15 seconds.  Big  deal!  It's certainly better than 
spending 30-40 seconds to hand type a  rebuke of some sort.  Personally, I 
don't 
think things like the "blacklist"  message are common.  How many times do you 
see 
that?  Nigh upon to  never.  It's not necessary, not "professional" (IMO), and 
adds absolutely  nothing to the pile up clearing effort.  It probably made 
the Swain's op  "feel" better.  I'm happy for him.

If someone feels it's absolutely necessary to "deal" with the offending  
station after the expedition, so be it.  Again, that takes more time and  
effort 
than it's worth.  So xx1xx had 8 Qs on 20m RTTY.  What are you  going to do?  
Deny him a confirmation.  That serves a great purpose -  not.  This is a hobby. 
 N8S has over 5000 RTTY Qs.  So how many  stations are blacklisted?  Really a 
worthwhile endeavor..... 

And lest you counter that working xx1xx 8 times kept 7 others from making  
their one-and-only RTTY Q, I direct you to far more people who get some sort of 
 
thrill from working them 9-band RTTY, which serves no purpose whatsoever, 
other  than ego feeding - unless, of course, your only 17m Q was RTTY.  But to 
say  "wouldn't that be a rare one" for 160 RTTY is beyond me.  Rare for  what?  
A competition of 1, me thinks.

Bottom line:  The DX can/will do what they wish.  The rest of the  world 
needs to back off, relax, and remember this is a hobby.  They can  also plan to 
be 
DX themselves one day.  Then they can send all the  blacklist messages they 
want....

Off soapbox, returning you to your normal programming....

Steve, N3SL, and part of 3B6RF




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:11:01 +0000
From: Ed <k4sb@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Blacklisting over zealous callers
To: rtty@contesting.com
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:48:17 -0700, Kok Chen <chen@mac.com> wrote:

But I bet the same guys are too thick skinned to care.

Perhaps better to put "LID" in the mode box <grin>.

73
Chen, W7AY

Excellent idea, but "LID" should be moved to the "call" box.

73
Ed


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