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[RTTY] Unclaimed QSOs were deleted from Cabrillo file

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Subject: [RTTY] Unclaimed QSOs were deleted from Cabrillo file
From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@citlink.net>
Reply-to: Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc@pclink.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:54:48 -0600
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Hello Jerry,

You said: "Whazzup with that? Those two stations I worked don't deserve any NIL 
penalty just because I screwed up logging the exchange! And I don't(?) deserve 
a penalty either."

Your statement contradicts itself! You admit "I screwed up" but  then you said 
"I don't deserve a penalty".

Please explain why you do not deserve a penalty? My understanding is a penalty 
is dealt out when an operator makes a mistake, miscopies a call or exchange, or 
otherwise "screws up". Otherwise, what's the point in penalties?

Penalties are part of the contest and are supposed to encourage better 
operating skills. I've had my share of penalties. I DO understand it's tough to 
swallow when you discover the penalty before the sponsors even process the 
logs. 

Okay, with all that aside, I don't have an answer about WriteLog and what 
happened to create the missing information problem. If you are confident there 
weren't any "issues" when you logged these contacts, then the "Whazzup" might 
lay with the program.

In general, I am not a fan of log grooming after a contest. There's been robust 
debate on this topic on other reflectors. If I review my Cabrillo file and see 
W44UK in the list, I would make the correction. It's obvious (to me) I 
stuttered on the keyboard. But removing or adding contacts is "out of scope" in 
my book.

Here's how I handled a recent incident... During the NAQP I logged a third 
contact with a TX station. I saw the two previous QSO's were logged as TN. 
There's a long list of how this could have happened, but when I spotted the 
inconsistency, I asked the operator whether he was TX or TN. I then took the 
time to make the correction during the contest. In effect I suffered my own 
penalty of slowing my rate down for 30 seconds to avoid a REAL penalty during 
log processing.

Regarding your submitted Cabrillo file, you did the right thing. But your 
thought about alerting the Cabrillo log checker that you do not want to claim 
the contact (to avoid a penalty) is not how it works.

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:31:58 -0500
From: Jerry Flanders <jeflanders@comcast.net>
Subject: [RTTY] Unclaimed QSOs were deleted from Cabrillo file
To: writelog@contesting.com
Cc: secc@contesting.com, rtty@contesting.com
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After the UK-DX RTTY contest was over I noticed a couple of blank 
serial nr spaces in my WriteLog log, so thought I would "unclaim" 
them to simplify the contest committee's log check process and to 
avoid any penalty to me for reporting a bad exchange.

After WL created the Cabrillo file, I discovered they had been 
completely removed!!!

Whazzup with that? Those two stations I worked don't deserve any NIL 
penalty just because I screwed up logging the exchange! And I don' 
t(?) deserve a penalty either.

I went back and "claimed" them and submitted a Cabrillo that has them 
listed (with blanks).

It seems to me there should be a way to deal with this situation 
within the WL Cabrillo file so that the contest robot can see that I 
am reporting that the Qs took place, but I am not claiming them for my credit.

Do other contesting programs handle this differently?

Please FWD this to a Cabrillo reflector, if it exists.

Jerry W4UK
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