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Re: [Propagation] Basic Propgation Question

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Subject: Re: [Propagation] Basic Propgation Question
From: "David Robbins K1TTT" <k1ttt@arrl.net>
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:29:08 -0000
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Muf maps have to assume a path.  I think a common method is to assume a
2000km (or some other fixed distance) centered at the point to be mapped.
This is reasonable for single hop paths going through that point... so yes,
this results in a map that closely resembles the f2 layer characteristics.
another method that my program uses is to fix one end(your qth) and move the
other end around the world and calculate the muf (or mof in my case) for
however many hops the path may result in.


David Robbins K1TTT
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> bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT CARROLL
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 04:28
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> Though I had never thought much about it, it seems to me there are two
> views
> of MUF:
> 
> 
> 
> 1)       MUF is a prediction of the maximum frequency that can be used at
> a
> given time to communicate between a transmitting site and a desired
> receiving site (lots of wrinkles about 50% statistics, using a month's
> worth
> of data, the need to be maybe 20% below the prediction in the real world
> etc).  This says MUF is a two point number, and at a given transmitting
> site
> at a given time will vary with the azimuth of and the distance to the
> desired receiving site. There are many MUF numbers for the transmitting
> site
> because there are many receiving locations on the earth.  This is the
> ITU/IEEE definition.
> 
> 
> 
> 2)       MUF is a quantity dependent only on the spot on the earth for
> which
> the number is to be computed, i.e. it is similar to a map of critical
> frequency.  For the case of a critical frequency map, conceptually you
> pick
> a point on the map, put a sounding device at that point, shoot straight
> up,
> look at the data, and determine the critical frequency and mark that
> number
> on the map at that point (in reality you may use models and a small number
> of actual measurements). Do the equivalent for F2 layer height.  At a
> given
> time there is only one critical frequency contour map for the earth, and
> only one f2 layer height map.  But as far as I can tell the MUF maps
> generated by many of the propagation programs are independent of the site
> assumed for the transmitter, just as are (and should be) the layer height
> maps.
> 
> 
> 
> Can someone clarify this for me, or point me to a source which is clear on
> this point?
> 
> 
> 
> Bob W2WG
> 
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