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[TenTec] RE: [Orion] ORION PERFORMANCE

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Subject: [TenTec] RE: [Orion] ORION PERFORMANCE
From: "BarryG" <n1eu@myway.com>
Reply-to: n1eu@myway.com
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:40:18 -0500 (EST)
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 I also generally agree with Eric's settings, with perhaps the one exception 
being my use of narrower bandwith.  The widest I went all weekend in CQ WW SSB 
was 1650hz and in a few cases went down to 1500hz.  The Orion's receiver has 
the most intelligible audio at narrow filtering of all rigs I've ever 
encountered.  As mentioned, the use of significant +PBT is essential (+200). 
Also, I tended to use less (none) AGC hang and slower AGC decay. I'd like to 
try Bill's suggestion of RX EQ in the next SSB contest, perhaps -10dB or so. 
The Orion's transmitter wasn't mentioned, but I find the speech compressor 
excellent (I set to 8). In summary, the Orion is a superb ssb contesting rig.  
The subreceiver holds up as well for SO2V dual receive use and N1MM Logger is a 
great tool for assisted SO2V operation. 73,Barry N1EU--- On Wed 11/03, Bill 
Tippett &lt; btippett@alum.mit.edu &gt; wrote:From: Bill Tippett [mailto: 
btippett@alum.mit.edu]To: tentec@contesting.com, orion@contesting.comDat
 e: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:17:05 -0500Subject: [TenTec] RE: [Orion] ORION 
PERFORMANCEEric you accidentally posted this to Ten-Tec instead ofOrion, so I'm 
copying your post below for benefit of theOrion reflector. Your settings are 
quite similar to mine forSSB contesting, so I'll just note differences:a. 
Agree.b. Agree. I've even gone to 1600 Hz at times.c. Agree. I also set RIT 
-100 when doing S&amp;P tocompensate for rapid zero-beating when I 
typicallyundershoot on USB. LSB would be opposite (+100).I also set Audio RX EQ 
-15dB which "processes"received audio to have enhanced highs (like a HeilHC-4 
in receive).d. Mostly agree. Threshold for my 10m stack is typically4uV or 
higher. On the low bands, Threshold would be MUCHhigher. I set Decay a bit 
lower (30 uV) and vary Hangdepending on conditions, typically 0.30 (default) to 
0.04.e. Agree except I've found the HW NB improves S/Nnoticeably when the band 
is almost dead (early AMand late PM). Of course it should never be used whenth
 ere are strong signals present (which is never thecase at the times I 
mentioned).f. Agree. AN is sometimes useful for CB carriers orintentional QRM 
on 10, but I would turn it off as soonas possible.I'm amazed how similar our 
SSB setups arefor contesting!73, Bill W4ZV&gt;Well, I'm going to stick my neck 
out on the reflector and describe what I have been using for SSB contests. 
Probably some otherpeople can point out how my settings can be improved.a) In 
the "Filters" menu, turn off auto-select and force the use of the 1.8 kHz 
filter. (Don't forget to revert back to auto forCW - hi!)b) Set bandwidth to 
~2000 Hz, according to degree of band crowding and your taste. I've run the 
bandwidth all the way down to 1700Hz in horrible crowding. On a less congested 
band like 10m, I'll open it up to 2100 or 2200.c) Set passband tuning +150-200 
Hz. This shift compensates for the narrow filter choice to improve 
intelligibility.d) AGC: use "prog" setting with parameters like these:AGC Hang: 
 I tend to keep this short, &lt;0.20 seconds, in a contest on a crowded band, 
where I want to be able to at least hearthe presence of a weak caller in the 
gaps between loud signals overlapping my listening frequency. 0.12 seems OK, 
and I've evenused 0.00. This is certainly not a good setting for conversational 
QSOs.AGC Decay: I run pretty fast decay, again to allow the AGC to drop down 
quickly to catch a weak stations. ~50 dB/s seems OK.This is definitely NOT a 
conversational setting!AGC threshhold: I start with this value at its maximum 
(191.48 microvolt), and reduce it until I start to hear band noise justcome up 
on an empty frequency. Tune outside of the band if no empty frequency can be 
found. On a very crowded band like 40m, Iwill use an even larger setting. There 
is no value, and some harm, in setting this parameter too low on a band full of 
loudsignals. Set it just low enough to reliably copy the weakest signal 
detectable among the QRM or QRN. This value is the mostvar
 iable -- it depends on conditions, local noise, and your antenna in use on the 
band.e) NR and NB: off unless absolutely necessary. Why do m
 ore processing on the signal than one needs?f) AN: I leave this off unless I 
encounter a situation where a notch filter is needed. Same idea: do the least 
amount ofprocessing on the signal for the conditions.I'm looking forward to 
hearing others weigh in...73,-- Eric K3NA-----Original Message-----From: Eric 
Rosenberg [mailto:wd3q at starpower.net]Sent: 2004 November 3 15:54To: eric at 
k3na.orgSubject: RE: [Orion] ORION PERFORMANCEEric --Can you be more specific 
about your changes?As I said in my email, I lose track of my expectations... 
and then getmessed up trying to figure out if the radio sounds as good as it 
should!Parameters like NR (which was great on the Omni-6+) just didn't 
seemright to me; I haven't gotten the hang of the AGC, nor do I 
reallyunderstand the HW NB and the H vs L in re: PBT.I suspect I'll eventually 
get there...Eric_______________________________________________Orion mailing 
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