The wsu608 file should be able to flash a dell card
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Bryan
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:18 PM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>
> I know of no way to flash Dell cards - Sorry
>
> bls
>
> Mark McKibbin wrote:
>
> >How do you work these updates it seems that they are can't see the
dell
> >as an Orinoco/Agere card.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Mark McKibbin
> >DCS Internet
> >64 Queen St
> >Warragul
> >Victoria 3820
> >Australia
> >www.dcsi.net.au
> >mark@team.dcsi.net.au
> >Ph. 1300 665 575 (Help Desk)
> >Ph. +61 356 241 120 (Direct)
> >Fx. 1300 556 595
> >Fx. +61 356 220 617
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bryan [mailto:blsutton@airnetwifi.net]
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:06 AM
> >To: Karlnet Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >
> >You got 'em
> >
> >bls
> >
> >Dan Metcalf wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>If you send it direct to me, I'll put it on my webserver and post
the
> >>link
> >>
> >>Dan.metcalf@wbisp.com
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Behalf Of Bryan
> >>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:33 PM
> >>>To: Karlnet Mailing List
> >>>Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>>
> >>>If these 2 attachments make it thru - here are the only 2 I have...
> >>>
> >>>bls
> >>>
> >>>Mark McKibbin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I can't find them on the Agere site or the Dell one
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards
> >>>>
> >>>>Mark McKibbin
> >>>>DCS Internet
> >>>>64 Queen St
> >>>>Warragul
> >>>>Victoria 3820
> >>>>Australia
> >>>>www.dcsi.net.au
> >>>>mark@team.dcsi.net.au
> >>>>Ph. 1300 665 575 (Help Desk)
> >>>>Ph. +61 356 241 120 (Direct)
> >>>>Fx. 1300 556 595
> >>>>Fx. +61 356 220 617
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Dan Metcalf [mailto:dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com]
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:16 AM
> >>>>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> >>>>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>>>
> >>>>Were can I download the "firmware & flash" for the Orinoco radios?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Behalf Of Kevin Knuth
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>>>>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> >>>>>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yes I do!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will forward this to engineering RIGHT AWAY!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Kevin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>**************************************
> >>>>>Kevin R. Knuth
> >>>>>Business Development Manager
> >>>>>North America
> >>>>>260-424-9690 Regional Office
> >>>>>614-822-5275 Corporate Office
> >>>>>kknuth@karlnet.com
> >>>>>www.karlnet.com
> >>>>>**************************************
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> >>>>>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:23 PM
> >>>>>To: Karlnet Mailing List
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I've seen the same exact think on my first 3 KN-50 installs. I
> >>>>>replaced
> >>>>>the Dell cards all three times with older silvers and the links
went
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>from marginally working to working perfectly.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Karlnet....you got your ears on?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-bob
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: "Timothy J. Steele" <tsteele@e-isco.com>
> >>>>>To: <karlnet@wispnotes.com>
> >>>>>Cc: <support@karlnet.com>
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:10 PM
> >>>>>Subject: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Last month there was a post to a thread from Mark McKibbin (see
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
>
>>>>http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-October/003153.htm
l
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
>>><http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-October/003146.htm
l
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>) in regards to the KN50 "Blackbird" units. His questions were
in
> >>>>>>regards to the poor link quality of the Orinoco Gold cards and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>other
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>cards that have been included with the units. We have been
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>experiencing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>similar problems (our units were purchased with Dell TrueMobile
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>Radios
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>(Agere chipset Firmware rev. 8.10.1)). I have been running
tests
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>on
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>number of different cards with the KN50. The following are the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>results:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>NOTE: These tests were conducted on live point-to-multipoint
> >>>>>>connections. We used all the same hardware for our testing; the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>only
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>change was the radio card for each test. The KN50 board was
> >>>>>>classified as a SOHO CPE with product v1.00-00-073017. Our
average
> >>>>>>connection speed with a 1024k key is around 700-900k. The Base
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>units
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>we used for testing are using software versions 4.43 and 4.44.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>They
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>have a varied number of subscribers, from 4 (a new site) up to
50+
> >>>>>>(our oldest site). On all these tests, the SNR was between 12dB
and
> >>>>>>18dB upstream to Base and 21dB to 30dB downstream from Base.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Dell Radio:
> >>>>>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>>>>Firmware ver.: 8.10.1
> >>>>>>PING test (a standard IP tools PING test from a PC through the
Base
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>the CPE (100 packets)): 73% of the packets lost Throughput test
(5
> >>>>>>bandwidth tests from 2wire.com and dslreports.com): 278, 112,
245,
> >>>>>>237, 298 (speed measured in kilobits)
> >>>>>>NOTE: The packets lost in the PING test are RARELY noted on the
> >>>>>>client side (i.e. surfing the Internet, Web Page comes up
> >>>>>>unavailable). They just notice a significant slowdown.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Orinoco Gold:
> >>>>>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>>>>FW ver: 8.72.1
> >>>>>>PING test: 64% lost
> >>>>>>Throughput: 451, 368, 519, 259, 311
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Orinoco Silver:
> >>>>>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>>>>FW ver: 6.6.1
> >>>>>>PING test: 0% lost
> >>>>>>Throughput: 676, 574, 481, 625, 616
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Avaya Radio:
> >>>>>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>>>>FW ver: 6.8.1
> >>>>>>PING test: 0% lost
> >>>>>>Throughput: 550, 447, 380, 571, 561
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Wave Wireless Radio:
> >>>>>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>>>>FW ver: 6.8.1
> >>>>>>PING test: 1% lost
> >>>>>>Throughput: 515, 660, 674, 553, 622
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Demarctech Prism Radio:
> >>>>>>Chipset: Intersil (800C)
> >>>>>>FW ver: 1.3.6
> >>>>>>PING test: 3%
> >>>>>>Throughput 591, 745, 652, 733, 725
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>At the location where we were doing the final throughput tests,
an
> >>>>>>NDIS install in a local server has the following results: PING
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>test:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>1% lost
> >>>>>>Throughput: 725, 989, 867, 967, 802
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I realize that the PING test is hardly conclusive, but it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>definitely
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>coincides with the lower bandwidth connections. Does anyone
else
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>have
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>similar findings? One other point of note is that the PING test
on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>unit connected to a highly utilized Base has significantly more
> >>>>>>dropped packets on the Dell and Orinoco Gold cards (i.e. The
cards
> >>>>>>are noted with a 73% and 64% loss on a Base with 40+
subscribers,
> >>>>>>these numbers drop to 35% and 23% on a Base with 20 or less
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>clients).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>This would indicate Base unit over saturation, but we can
connect a
> >>>>>>standard NDIS
> >>>>>>(radio) client or a KN100 board and the PING tests and
throughput
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>tests
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>are excellent (0% loss, avg. 880k throughput).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It appears that cards running older versions of firmware (6.x.x)
do
> >>>>>>not have the problems that newer firmware (8.x.x) have; at least
in
> >>>>>>regards to the KN50. I have upgraded the Orinoco Silver card to
> >>>>>>v8.7.5 firmware and it exhibits the same problems. I downgraded
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>firmware and the problem goes away. Our only option, at this
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>point,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>is to downgrade the firmware on the newer cards or try to find
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>older
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>silver cards with the external antenna attachment (seeing as how
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>new silvers do not have them anymore).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I tested the Orinoco Gold and the Dell Radio in a KN100 board
with
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>following results:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>OG:
> >>>>>>PING test: 0% lost
> >>>>>>Throughput: 714, 784, 987, 966, 908
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Dell:
> >>>>>>PING Test: 1% lost
> >>>>>>Throughput: 837, 664, 843, 767, 813
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>This looks like a problem with the KN50's and newer Agere
firmware.
> >>>>>>Anytime you install 8.x firmware on any radio in the KN50,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>performance
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>is significantly reduced and there is a high amount of IP packet
> >>>>>>failure. Our research team would like to know if anyone else
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>concurs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>with these findings and is there a solution in the works. If
not,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>there anymore testing you would like from our end to get this
issue
> >>>>>>resolved?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Tim Steele & Marcus Rudd
> >>>>>>Wireless Networking Engineers
> >>>>>>e-ISCO Internet
> >>>>>>www.e-isco.com <http://www.e-isco.com/>
> >>>>>>
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