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Re: [CQ-Contest] Many US stns out of band (John Dorr)

To: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Many US stns out of band (John Dorr)
From: Kent Olsen <kilo6dko@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2025 18:42:12 -0700
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The FCC calls them Rules and Regulations, Laws? I know people have been
fined, but that is not the norm.

Thanks
73
Kent
N6WT


On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 6:03 PM Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:

> Well, yes, at least in the US. If the FCC wishes to fine you, it is
> $11,000 per day as long as the offense goes on. I don’t know about you, but
> I would far prefer to spend $11K on antennas than giving it to the FCC.
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
> > On Oct 28, 2025, at 3:12 PM, Kent Olsen <kilo6dko@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Canadian *law*? Is transmitting out of band a criminal offence?
> >
> > Kent
> > N6WT
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 12:52 PM Kelly Taylor via CQ-Contest <
> > cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I suggest that as long as YOU aren’t doing anything wrong, work ‘em and
> >> move on.
> >>
> >> The lawbreaker is the American op outside his band. That should be a
> >> problem for the FCC to deal with, not foreigners. Canadian hams are not
> >> breaking Canadian law when working OOB Americans.
> >>
> >> If the problem is such that the contest organizer sees fit to nullify
> both
> >> sides of the QSO, so be it, but at least you’re not getting dinged for
> NIL
> >> penalties.
> >>
> >> ARRL SS rules are silent, other than to say operators must stick within
> >> the confines of their countries’ laws.
> >>
> >> 73, kelly, ve4xt
> >>
> >>> On Oct 28, 2025, at 12:29 PM, Dave G. ve3kg@myrac.ca <
> >> goodwindave.73@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> John K1AR said:
> >>>
> >>> “Yes, we only remove the offender's QSO, NOT both. We don't expect ops
> to
> >>> adjudicate OOB QSOs in real-time on the receiving side.”
> >>>
> >>> Great!   That seems like good judgement by the adjudicators.  But they
> >> are
> >>> missing another aspect:
> >>>
> >>> When I get OOB callers from the US, I often tell them “you’re outside
> the
> >>> US phone band.”   The usual response is silence, but more than a few
> >> delete
> >>> the QSO from their logs.  In adjudication, I get assessed a penalty for
> >>> “NOT IN LOG” QSOs, even though I worked the station.
> >>>
> >>> So, should I work the OOB Yanks, and say nothing?   Should I refuse to
> >> log
> >>> the OOB Yanks?   Their repeated calls get annoying, sometimes quite
> >>> desperate and often a source of QRM.
> >>>
> >>> This is tangly stuff.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Dave VE3KG
> >>> (At VE3VN this past weekend)
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